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Post by Lucius Malfoy on Apr 30, 2022 19:48:04 GMT 10
Okay, I want to start a new thread because I want to start fresh here with you. But first I need to clear the air.
Straight up, I have not been in the best head space over the last few days for personal reasons so I'm probably reading more that I should into some of your posts, but it seems that we are really on different wavelengths.
I want to work with you to the end. You are the partner assigned to be based on a list of people I gave Wormtail. I am the same for you. I am super excited to play this game with a partner. I think its going to be a really interesting twist to the whole ORG survivor format.
But this partnership won't work if we are not honest with each other so I am going to be blunt as you were before.
1. I put a decent amount of effort into constructing a nice welcome message for you when you arrived. Which you then responded with 'Why would you do that to yourself and boy do you have some qusestions?' I don't know, maybe you hate the role play shtick thing? Regardless that was a really weird way to greet your partner. You never even really responded as to what you meant either? I know you said something about forgetting the fomat or something. But what do you think I had done?
I was just going to let that slide but then:
2. I simply asked if you really care about finding out if we want to know each others IDs. And yes I did misread the parchment, but the point I was making also was that we are not just going to play an advantage on the other to get HPs. We will play an advantage to save one another, absolutely. But not to get HPs. Likewise we may find that there is a benefit to us voting differently as an agreed strategy on a vote but that means we don't get HPs. Do we care? My view is no, we do the best moves to further out position in the game, not to get HPs. But I was hoping to have that discussion with you and get your view. That's what I meant by a 'proper chat'. I wanted to get your thoughts on how you want to play this game so we could compare ideas and strategies so that we understand each others approaches.
Then you sort of completely blew up at me. Look as I said, my headspace is not the best, so I might have read that wrong, but it felt like an attack. Why would I not want to work with you? We are partners in this. Through and through. What possible reason could I have for not wanting to work with you? And then that statement 'You've [me] got to sort out my own thoughts' like I'm some looney lovegood who is spinning off this planet because I asked if we care about IDs. And the added part about 'how I've got to sort them before we worry about the challenge' like we're so far apart or I'm so shady or some shit, that we can't even do the challenge properly.
And then you're giving me the benefit of the doubt. Like why do I need the benefit of the doubt. All I did was ask about if we care about IDs. I gave you the benfit of the doubt when your opening post to me was less that welcoming.
I think we need a fresh start here. I could have kept this shit bottled up but that would have been toxic for our relationship so better to get it out.
Given the above, I presume I've some how pissed you off equally, so feel free to unload with that as well.
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Post by Oliver Wood on Apr 30, 2022 20:09:37 GMT 10
That's all fair enough. My initial response was based on thinking I might have known who you were but I went away and realised that I couldn't possibly know who you were because you couldn't have known who I was. I hindsight, that was going to look strange from your side. If you were who I thought you were I had some things to bounce off you. You could be that person. You likely aren't that person. But I've certainly put my foot in it.
I have enjoyed the roleplay aspect but I'm completely out of my depth here. I've joined this game because I wanted to play, not because I wanted to be a character. Low and behold, you've landed a character that you can do a lot with but based on the instructions given, I would have thought your character was too central to the HP universe as well. I threw up Oliver as a left field suggestion not having any clue about how I would play him. I have Quidditch and Scottish language. That's it. A better schtick than some I've seen but I feel I've limited myself greatly.
The partner thing has thrown me somewhat. I thought we would be working with someone of our choosing and I seem to have misunderstood how this would work. We're not actually a team, it seems, just two people who share a forum we can discuss the game with but either of us can turn on the other at any time. It doesn't make sense to do so but the option is there. More importantly, I thought the person I would be working with would be someone I would be on a similar wavelength to. Honestly, I'm not feeling that which is why I called out the parchment thing in the manner that I did. I don't know that I can really elaborate on this without giving myself away but I have pretty strong feelings about how these games should be played.
The ID thing probably doesn't matter in the grand scheme but there is an advantage attached to it. Not getting a positive vibe from you combined with the apparent questioning of the only player you have contact with about 'sacrificing' their game was a huge red flag to me. And the game hasn't even started.
There will be times where voting differently achieves a common goal. I'm not sure how that will work yet as if we're split into two tribes we may find ourselves on opposite tribes. If we're on the SAME Side, there is certainly benefit to making people think we are NOT working together. At the very least, post in your confessional daily as that is an easy five points.
I can see why you would think I blew up at you and I'm not sure what I can say about the 'why' behind that but as I said above, I saw a red flag and I made sure to call it out straight away. I would like to think I've made a pretty loyal and reliable person to work with in the past and that hasn't always been reciprocated in a manner I would like. If we're genuinely partners in this game, I need to know you're on my team.
Feel free to ask me anything if you feel I've missed something. I could probably say other things about that as well but, again, I'm not sure I would be allowed to do so at this stage.
It's past 8 o'clock. I most certainly haven't forgotten about you. I think you reaching out in this manner is more important than a challenge we won't see a benefit from for a week.
That said, let's fucking do this!
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Post by Lucius Malfoy on Apr 30, 2022 20:29:59 GMT 10
Thank you for this response. I really value the honesty and your openess to see things from my side. I too now can see things from your side.
I think our brains work differently, in terms of how we think. This is going to make it harder for us to communicate at times. BUT it could be a huge asset in this game for us. I am not an ORG God my any means. I make mistakes in these things all the time. I try to learn from them but its hard to drop bad habbits some times. If you and I actually can talk things through and explain our honest perpectives like we have above, then I think we are going to destroy this game. I'd rather have a partner who thinks differently that me and can keep me in check and grounded when I actually am spinning off the planet (which I will absolutely do at some point) than an echo chamber of cascading angry ideas.
You may be the very person I need to actually play a good game in one of these things. Someone to ground me when I'm just trying to make B!g M0veZ for the sake of them.
I tell you one thing though. When I am truely loyal to someone in one of these games, then I am loyal to them to the end. That has cost me before. But that's fine. I'd rather stay true to myself in that scenario than win some game on the internet.
Do you still want to do the challenge now?
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Post by Lucius Malfoy on Apr 30, 2022 20:31:56 GMT 10
cascading *crazy* ideas sorry
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Post by Oliver Wood on Apr 30, 2022 20:33:35 GMT 10
Of course. Let's punch this out so we're not both tied to a screen. We've still got 24ish hours to hash out a strategy.
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Post by Lucius Malfoy on Apr 30, 2022 20:35:00 GMT 10
Okay great
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Post by Oliver Wood on Apr 30, 2022 20:35:36 GMT 10
Do we want to drop in at the same time or just head in now and hope the other one makes it? ![:P](http://images.proboards.com/new/tongue.png)
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Post by Lucius Malfoy on Apr 30, 2022 20:36:19 GMT 10
So the way it works is this:
1. One of us goes to the group to get the trigger. That starts the timer. 2. They post the trigger in the challenge thread. 3. The image appears. 4. We count A and B. 5. We put in the trigger for which we think was greater. 6. Repeat x6
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Post by Lucius Malfoy on Apr 30, 2022 20:36:48 GMT 10
Do we want to drop in at the same time or just head in now and hope the other one makes it? ![:P](http://images.proboards.com/new/tongue.png) What? I think you may be mistaken on how the challenge works.
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Post by Oliver Wood on Apr 30, 2022 20:37:30 GMT 10
That's a pretty good rundown. How about you head in and get us started and I can F5 and follow you in?
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Post by Lucius Malfoy on Apr 30, 2022 20:38:27 GMT 10
Okay sounds good. I will post the time between each picture.
I count A. You count B.
Head into the challenge thread now and I will be there with the trigger soon
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Post by Oliver Wood on Apr 30, 2022 20:38:47 GMT 10
Too easy
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Post by Lucius Malfoy on Apr 30, 2022 21:06:32 GMT 10
Okay, I just want to say that after your message and how we worked together there, whether successful or not, I am feeling a lot better about this pairing.
Let's just keep being honest and open and up front. If I do something that annoys you or pisses you off. Just tell me like I did above.
I can't imagine there is a single pair that has already gone through the tough conversation that we have had. And that means we are going to be better placed that anyone in this game. Because we've already got the bullshit out of the way.
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Post by Oliver Wood on Apr 30, 2022 21:09:49 GMT 10
The thought did occur to me that once you find out who I am you'll have an ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh moment followed by a groan and then a lengthy chat about how you've heard about me putting my foot in it with other people as well ![:P](http://images.proboards.com/new/tongue.png)
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Post by Lucius Malfoy on Apr 30, 2022 21:14:58 GMT 10
Mate I am actually really excited to work with you now.
I'll be honest, I probably was expecting more of an echo chamber where my partner just loves all my nonsense.
BUT, this relationship, well it's gonna be like my marriage. My wife does not tolerate by bullshit and I am a better man for it.
If I can help you not put your foot in it. I'd love to do so. Can you mention generally what sort of things trip you up in these (without any specific's of course). What do you need help with?
No rush. Going to go watch a movie with the aformentioned wife.
Really looking forward to this experience with you Woody.
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Post by Oliver Wood on Apr 30, 2022 21:21:29 GMT 10
I'm fairly confident that if I answered that question I would have Pettigrew and Umbridge on me like Crabbe on a cupcake.
Enjoy the movie!
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Post by Lucius Malfoy on May 1, 2022 16:54:56 GMT 10
I reckon if we get split tonight there is a good chance that we lose access to this forum. Maybe that's wont be the case. But if it is, I just want to say good luck until we can get back together. I am really looking forward to working together for lots of reasons but mainly because, as I said above, I think you and really help me improve in ORGS and I can do the same for you. Yin and Yang and all that. My recommendation for tonight, if we get split, is that you prepare an in character introductory message pro forma that you can then adapt for each person on your Side with a fact from the HP wiki and just get them out to start the conversation. Day 1 conversations are key to building those alliances in my experience. Tonight is the one night that it pays the absolute most to be active. But I also respect the other way move where you wait to see who messages you, although to me it presents more risk. Regardless if this is farewell for a while. Goodbye dear Boy, I look forward to connecting up a again soon. If is not, you can ignore half of this message. ![8-)](http://images.proboards.com/new/cool.png) OR all of it? ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) It's not like I actually know what I'm doing. LOL
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Post by Oliver Wood on May 1, 2022 17:13:29 GMT 10
I hope this doesn't get shut down tonight otherwise what is the point of the whole partner schtick? Then again, Pettigrew is a rat.
I like the introductory message idea. I've never done a copy pasta version in the past but it makes sense to do so with a view to sending mass messages out quickly. I appreciate the suggestion.
I would like to think we didn't go through last night for nothing so here's hoping we at least land on the same side.
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Post by Lucius Malfoy on May 1, 2022 17:21:49 GMT 10
I'm weary of it because in all seasons of BvW on surivor they had a day 0 where the partners were together and were then split into two tribes. There may be ways we can share information in due course, and obviously, if we get split, we will be able to rejoin at a swap or merge.
If pairs are secret, should we try and keep ours confidential? It might be hard to do if people ask about it because you could very easily get caught in a lie. Imagine, if you said your partner was actually the partner of the person you're talking to! So my view is keep it secret best you can but not if is making you look untrusthworthy or shifty.
Mate, we absolutely didn't go through it for nothing. If we're split, we've just got to make sure we make it until we can rejoin.
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Post by Oliver Wood on May 1, 2022 17:28:54 GMT 10
I suppose I'll have to see the game play out but the extended day zero thing doesn't make a lot of sense to me unless there was some point to being able to work together. Unless the idea was to build a #1 with someone without being interrupted by other people in which case my opening message would be even more laughable than first thought. I vote for keeping things confidential. I don't really see any benefit to exposing ourselves unless we felt we were working with another pair, which probably raises more questions than it answers but I would suspect active players have nominated other active players. Typing this out made me feel better about the opening part of the game as those less active may very well be partnered with other inactive types in which case anyone scheming is going to be found out pretty darn quickly I would think. If we're split then I suppose there should be some sort of island-ish feature that would allow us to talk intermittently. A Chamber of Secrets if you will (you can take that one, Peter Pettigrew). I would expect that to be based around some team v individual reward thing though.
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