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Post by Lucius Malfoy on May 27, 2022 18:24:41 GMT 10
I was pushing all sorts of plans with the hope that I could get one of moody/yax to vote for fleur or black to vote for dickie. But that was falling on deaf ears. Also despite you swapping the idol with me you sort of disappeared. Lily was giving me nothing. I thought I had yax convinced but then Barty sort of came round in the late arvo and said I’d have a better shot pulling in moody than yax and that yax is too worried about being seen as my goat. I didn’t think I could pull moody in to something that yax/dickie weren’t doing so I thought black was the best option to vote dickie. Black then told me that you told him that the only person you (wood) wanted to vote for was him (black), this ending any shot we had of that move. Barty came to me minutes before the vote and said he had to go with another plan (which I knew was the split plan), so I voted for you hoping that it was mess their numbers enough to save myself. BUT lily and Barty clearly had it in their power to bring us both in and say all 4 of us vote anyone, I wouldn’t have cared who. Probably would have had to be fleur or black I reckon. Lily Potter and Barty Crouch Jr , why did you not bring this plan to us? The plan to vote for you came WELL before deadline. I presented an alternative case. Barty and Lily had PLENTY of time to move elsewhere. I made no secret at the time of not wanting to vote for anyone other than Black but I also raised that Diggle was the best vote strategically and noone budged. Lily Potter it seems you had all the time in the world and the willing participants to pull off a 4-3-2 on black. So why didn’t it ever get proposed in the fellowship?
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Post by Barty Crouch Jr on May 27, 2022 18:28:26 GMT 10
I was pushing all sorts of plans with the hope that I could get one of moody/yax to vote for fleur or black to vote for dickie. But that was falling on deaf ears. Also despite you swapping the idol with me you sort of disappeared. Lily was giving me nothing. I thought I had yax convinced but then Barty sort of came round in the late arvo and said I’d have a better shot pulling in moody than yax and that yax is too worried about being seen as my goat. I didn’t think I could pull moody in to something that yax/dickie weren’t doing so I thought black was the best option to vote dickie. Black then told me that you told him that the only person you (wood) wanted to vote for was him (black), this ending any shot we had of that move. Barty came to me minutes before the vote and said he had to go with another plan (which I knew was the split plan), so I voted for you hoping that it was mess their numbers enough to save myself. BUT lily and Barty clearly had it in their power to bring us both in and say all 4 of us vote anyone, I wouldn’t have cared who. Probably would have had to be fleur or black I reckon. Lily Potter and Barty Crouch Jr, why did you not bring this plan to us? I mentioned to you before - Wood's message how he doesn't trust me made me lose all hope at the fellowship wining that round. Yes, on paper, it might had worked to "force" us 4 into working together, but it was all last minutes scrambling and i chose to go with option B that time. If i had more time and less options - i might had tried last minute "we all need to vote this way!" message, but with all of that being made at the last minutes - i went back to Diggle's plan and explored our relationship which were built during Tonks's vote. HOWEVER, what we hadn't talked yet, was that during the day before your elimination, i was in a chat with Diggle and Yaxley, and kept pushing them idea that "if we are splitting between Wood and Malfoy - we should put more votes on Wood to flush his idol at least. As Wood surviving with idol would be the worst case for Diggle/Yaxley/Lily/me alliance. You surviving would be the best case, Wood surviving without idol would be neutral case. (Because in F8 - you would never work with Fleur, making it 2 pairs to have majority, while there's big chance of Fleur/Wood/RAB/Moody getting together and making it 4-4 (at that point i didn't knew how close Moody and Diggle was).
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Post by Barty Crouch Jr on May 27, 2022 18:33:29 GMT 10
I was pushing all sorts of plans with the hope that I could get one of moody/yax to vote for fleur or black to vote for dickie. But that was falling on deaf ears. Also despite you swapping the idol with me you sort of disappeared. Lily was giving me nothing. I thought I had yax convinced but then Barty sort of came round in the late arvo and said I’d have a better shot pulling in moody than yax and that yax is too worried about being seen as my goat. I didn’t think I could pull moody in to something that yax/dickie weren’t doing so I thought black was the best option to vote dickie. Black then told me that you told him that the only person you (wood) wanted to vote for was him (black), this ending any shot we had of that move. Barty came to me minutes before the vote and said he had to go with another plan (which I knew was the split plan), so I voted for you hoping that it was mess their numbers enough to save myself. BUT lily and Barty clearly had it in their power to bring us both in and say all 4 of us vote anyone, I wouldn’t have cared who. Probably would have had to be fleur or black I reckon. Lily Potter and Barty Crouch Jr , why did you not bring this plan to us? The plan to vote for you came WELL before deadline. I presented an alternative case. Barty and Lily had PLENTY of time to move elsewhere. I made no secret at the time of not wanting to vote for anyone other than Black but I also raised that Diggle was the best vote strategically and noone budged. That round you came online with like 1 hour till pm locks, destroyed all the talks we had about voting Fleur, claimed that RAB is the only one you would feel comfortable to vote, but you could do Diggle too. And then droped that bomb about not trusting Lucius. How the hell we had plenty of time to regroup? Diggle was never an option for my game, as i built a strong connection with him. Same as Fleur was not an option for you as you had a strong connection with her.
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Post by Barty Crouch Jr on May 27, 2022 18:36:21 GMT 10
I am sorry, i just realized i lied. Wood's bomb about not trusting Malfoy came at 8:45, so 30mins before PM locks, not 15.
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Post by Lucius Malfoy on May 27, 2022 18:40:45 GMT 10
I was pushing all sorts of plans with the hope that I could get one of moody/yax to vote for fleur or black to vote for dickie. But that was falling on deaf ears. Also despite you swapping the idol with me you sort of disappeared. Lily was giving me nothing. I thought I had yax convinced but then Barty sort of came round in the late arvo and said I’d have a better shot pulling in moody than yax and that yax is too worried about being seen as my goat. I didn’t think I could pull moody in to something that yax/dickie weren’t doing so I thought black was the best option to vote dickie. Black then told me that you told him that the only person you (wood) wanted to vote for was him (black), this ending any shot we had of that move. Barty came to me minutes before the vote and said he had to go with another plan (which I knew was the split plan), so I voted for you hoping that it was mess their numbers enough to save myself. BUT lily and Barty clearly had it in their power to bring us both in and say all 4 of us vote anyone, I wouldn’t have cared who. Probably would have had to be fleur or black I reckon. Lily Potter and Barty Crouch Jr, why did you not bring this plan to us? I mentioned to you before - Wood's message how he doesn't trust me made me lose all hope at the fellowship wining that round. Yes, on paper, it might had worked to "force" us 4 into working together, but it was all last minutes scrambling and i chose to go with option B that time. If i had more time and less options - i might had tried last minute "we all need to vote this way!" message, but with all of that being made at the last minutes - i went back to Diggle's plan and explored our relationship which were built during Tonks's vote. HOWEVER, what we hadn't talked yet, was that during the day before your elimination, i was in a chat with Diggle and Yaxley, and kept pushing them idea that "if we are splitting between Wood and Malfoy - we should put more votes on Wood to flush his idol at least. As Wood surviving with idol would be the worst case for Diggle/Yaxley/Lily/me alliance. You surviving would be the best case, Wood surviving without idol would be neutral case. (Because in F8 - you would never work with Fleur, making it 2 pairs to have majority, while there's big chance of Fleur/Wood/RAB/Moody getting together and making it 4-4 (at that point i didn't knew how close Moody and Diggle was). This is a sound plan. Thank you for doing what you could in the circumstances.
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Post by Oliver Wood on May 27, 2022 18:50:24 GMT 10
Crouch, once again you are highlighting your lack of trust in me.
The idol, that you had a 1/3 share in, would have survived had you worked with me and not around me. Again, (losing count now) I expressed my doubts in Lucius yet I didn't suggest voting for him. I knew the plan. I knew you were on it. I told you (and Lily) I wasn't on board with either of the options. I raised Diggle.
At the end of the day, you chose a different path. I don't agree with your choice but you certainly weren't "scrambling" or bereft of options.
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Post by Barty Crouch Jr on May 27, 2022 19:00:29 GMT 10
Crouch, once again you are highlighting your lack of trust in me. The idol, that you had a 1/3 share in, would have survived had you worked with me and not around me. Again, (losing count now) I expressed my doubts in Lucius yet I didn't suggest voting for him. I knew the plan. I knew you were on it. I told you (and Lily) I wasn't on board with either of the options. I raised Diggle. At the end of the day, you chose a different path. I don't agree with your choice but you certainly weren't "scrambling" or bereft of options. I didn't trusted you same as you didn't trusted Malfoy.
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Post by Oliver Wood on May 27, 2022 19:20:54 GMT 10
Crouch, once again you are highlighting your lack of trust in me. The idol, that you had a 1/3 share in, would have survived had you worked with me and not around me. Again, (losing count now) I expressed my doubts in Lucius yet I didn't suggest voting for him. I knew the plan. I knew you were on it. I told you (and Lily) I wasn't on board with either of the options. I raised Diggle. At the end of the day, you chose a different path. I don't agree with your choice but you certainly weren't "scrambling" or bereft of options. I didn't trusted you same as you didn't trusted Malfoy. Would you care to elaborate?
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Post by Hedwig's Killer on May 27, 2022 19:30:21 GMT 10
I didn't trusted you same as you didn't trusted Malfoy. Would you care to elaborate? ![](https://c.tenor.com/3x63SNMKPogAAAAd/oh-wait-youre-serious.gif)
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Post by Barty Crouch Jr on May 27, 2022 19:35:05 GMT 10
I didn't trusted you same as you didn't trusted Malfoy. Would you care to elaborate? The F11 round. I came to you trying to open a talk about idol which you quickly shot down. Me: when is the idol expiring? I think it expires soon... You: it expires whenever i want it to expire Lily and Malfoy was mentioning before that you aren't keen at using that idol that early and our conversation here felt like you are closing the idol topic. In all total I didn't minded that that much as i never understood why you keep telling that it's 1/3 my idol. Malfoy gave information to Lily which helped you to find it. I was not a part of it. What happened next was all that overplaying drama which happened during HK's vote. You wrote to me how you don't think HK real target, couple minutes after that HK writes to me that you wrote to him that he is going home (i am checking our chats now to make sure i don't mistake the timing) and after all the drama you told me that you have no idea what happened. You/Malfoy/Lily had so easy half of the Side. Just stay united and do a calm vote. But that didn't happened, and i saw you as a reason on why it didn't happened. Until then - i really enjoyed our talks and was happy working with you AND Malfoy. After that - i needed to build better relationship with Diggle, who you were super against.
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Post by Oliver Wood on May 27, 2022 20:02:03 GMT 10
The idol was a non-issue. I said early and often that I wanted to play it as late as possible and by sticking together we could achieve that.
I promised immediately that I would play it for Lily and she felt confident with you so I made that promise to you as well. I had no reason to doubt my decision until you told me you thought I would play it for Fleur (dumbarse).
The HK stuff was a misstep on my part and I told Lily immediately. Had she not posted in mine and Lucius' PM it would have been a calm vote. I chose not to tell anyone else the truth immediately as it did not serve our purpose to do so at the time.
I don't agree with your conclusion but you made it further than I did so maybe I'm the one who is wrong.
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Post by Lily Potter on May 27, 2022 20:40:50 GMT 10
Sorry when I said I wanted a 4-3-2 at F9, I wanted Fleur to go home that round because I strongly suspected she and Tonks were actively working against Barty and I at the previous double council. I figured they were probably the ones who switched Oliver out for Diggle, because they were using the small number tribes to boot Barty, who was otherwise relatively insulated in the 3 pairs alliance (with Oliver and Malfoy)
Fortunately for us, Barty received immunity although I did wonder at the time whether Diggs would have actually burnt Yax at that point by voting Barty if he wasn’t immune
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Post by Oliver Wood on May 27, 2022 20:48:24 GMT 10
Sorry when I said I wanted a 4-3-2 at F9, I wanted Fleur to go home that round because I strongly suspected she and Tonks were actively working against Barty and I at the previous double council. I figured they were probably the ones who switched Oliver out for Diggle, because they were using the small number tribes to boot Barty, who was otherwise relatively insulated in the 3 pairs alliance (with Oliver and Malfoy) Fortunately for us, Barty received immunity although I did wonder at the time whether Diggs would have actually burnt Yax at that point by voting Barty if he wasn’t immune F9 or F11? Tonks went at F11. F9 was the Lucius/me deadlock.
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Post by Lily Potter on May 27, 2022 20:49:40 GMT 10
It wouldn’t have made sense for Barty and I to do a 4-3-2 on Diggle because we would have lost Yaxley as well
This would have meant that we would have gone into a F8 having to rely on me/Barty/Oliver/lucius being 100% solid as a tight 4 - which couldn’t happen if Oliver and lucius couldn’t even trust each other
So ultimately, Barty and I made the safer choice of choosing Diggle and Yaxley to be our four and that got us through safely at the next 3 votes because we did have trust in each other.
Admittedly, It was a trust based off a mutually assured destruction scenario where we knew if one pair betrayed the other, then that pair would be the only pair left remaining in the game and thus targeted next. Also I told Diggs that he was the target of the single players so it made it a lot safer for him to trust in us too - which we repaid at the F7 vote
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Post by Nymphadora Tonks on May 27, 2022 20:49:51 GMT 10
Sorry when I said I wanted a 4-3-2 at F9, I wanted Fleur to go home that round because I strongly suspected she and Tonks were actively working against Barty and I at the previous double council. I figured they were probably the ones who switched Oliver out for Diggle, because they were using the small number tribes to boot Barty, who was otherwise relatively insulated in the 3 pairs alliance (with Oliver and Malfoy) Fortunately for us, Barty received immunity although I did wonder at the time whether Diggs would have actually burnt Yax at that point by voting Barty if he wasn’t immune Well… we we working against Barty but still hoped to work with you ![(rofl)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/rofl.png) We both agreed that the 2 of you were the most powerful players even before Kingsley was voted out, and so from our ignorant perspective, we thought there’d be no issue voting Crouch out with the numbers we had. I was hoping to break the two of you up and hopefully strengthen that initial 4 we made all the way back at Grimauld place. Sadly, I was the one that switched Diggle and Oliver around, thinking that Diggle being with Yaxley would provide a very easy reason to vote out Barty when you would have justifiably been annoyed. I asked Diggle what he would have done, and he confirmed that I was doomed the second he switched. it was my own spell that sent me out of the game, although I suspect Oliver would have also voted me out But it all makes sense though because you knew all along I was against Crouch, and that’s why you stopped talking to me on that day right?
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Post by Lily Potter on May 27, 2022 20:52:32 GMT 10
Sorry when I said I wanted a 4-3-2 at F9, I wanted Fleur to go home that round because I strongly suspected she and Tonks were actively working against Barty and I at the previous double council. I figured they were probably the ones who switched Oliver out for Diggle, because they were using the small number tribes to boot Barty, who was otherwise relatively insulated in the 3 pairs alliance (with Oliver and Malfoy) Fortunately for us, Barty received immunity although I did wonder at the time whether Diggs would have actually burnt Yax at that point by voting Barty if he wasn’t immune F9 or F11? Tonks went at F11. F9 was the Lucius/me deadlock. I wanted Fleur gone at F9 because she and Tonks were targetting Barty at F11. You didn’t want Fleur gone then (which is 100% understandable based on your position and close relationships at that point, not blaming you at all) so I figured it was better to go with the majority onto Malfoy and make the move at F8 instead.
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Post by Oliver Wood on May 27, 2022 20:55:04 GMT 10
Sorry when I said I wanted a 4-3-2 at F9, I wanted Fleur to go home that round because I strongly suspected she and Tonks were actively working against Barty and I at the previous double council. I figured they were probably the ones who switched Oliver out for Diggle, because they were using the small number tribes to boot Barty, who was otherwise relatively insulated in the 3 pairs alliance (with Oliver and Malfoy) Fortunately for us, Barty received immunity although I did wonder at the time whether Diggs would have actually burnt Yax at that point by voting Barty if he wasn’t immune Well… we we working against Barty but still hoped to work with you ![(rofl)](//storage2.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/rofl.png) We both agreed that the 2 of you were the most powerful players even before Kingsley was voted out, and so from our ignorant perspective, we thought there’d be no issue voting Crouch out with the numbers we had. I was hoping to break the two of you up and hopefully strengthen that initial 4 we made all the way back at Grimauld place. Sadly, I was the one that switched Diggle and Oliver around, thinking that Diggle being with Yaxley would provide a very easy reason to vote out Barty when you would have justifiably been annoyed. I asked Diggle what he would have done, and he confirmed that I was doomed the second he switched. it was my own spell that sent me out of the game, although I suspect Oliver would have also voted me out But it all makes sense though because you knew all along I was against Crouch, and that’s why you stopped talking to me on that day right? That switch was among the highlights of my game. I legitimately would not have wanted to vote for any of you/Fleur/Crouch/Yaxley at that point.
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Post by Lily Potter on May 27, 2022 20:55:49 GMT 10
Sorry when I said I wanted a 4-3-2 at F9, I wanted Fleur to go home that round because I strongly suspected she and Tonks were actively working against Barty and I at the previous double council. I figured they were probably the ones who switched Oliver out for Diggle, because they were using the small number tribes to boot Barty, who was otherwise relatively insulated in the 3 pairs alliance (with Oliver and Malfoy) Fortunately for us, Barty received immunity although I did wonder at the time whether Diggs would have actually burnt Yax at that point by voting Barty if he wasn’t immune Well… we we working against Barty but still hoped to work with you ![(rofl)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/rofl.png) We both agreed that the 2 of you were the most powerful players even before Kingsley was voted out, and so from our ignorant perspective, we thought there’d be no issue voting Crouch out with the numbers we had. I was hoping to break the two of you up and hopefully strengthen that initial 4 we made all the way back at Grimauld place. Sadly, I was the one that switched Diggle and Oliver around, thinking that Diggle being with Yaxley would provide a very easy reason to vote out Barty when you would have justifiably been annoyed. I asked Diggle what he would have done, and he confirmed that I was doomed the second he switched. it was my own spell that sent me out of the game, although I suspect Oliver would have also voted me out But it all makes sense though because you knew all along I was against Crouch, and that’s why you stopped talking to me on that day right? I asked both you and Fleur who you were voting for and neither of you could give me an answer so I figured it was Barty. That cemented the idea that you and HK had to go that round specifically rather than later. But we were very afraid because we all assumed HK had the Daily Prophet HII (sorry HK, blame Karkaroff for throwing you under the bus there)
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Post by Oliver Wood on May 27, 2022 20:56:30 GMT 10
F9 or F11? Tonks went at F11. F9 was the Lucius/me deadlock. I wanted Fleur gone at F9 because she and Tonks were targetting Barty at F11. You didn’t want Fleur gone then (which is 100% understandable based on your position and close relationships at that point, not blaming you at all) so I figured it was better to go with the majority onto Malfoy and make the move at F8 instead. You never mentioned wanting Fleur out. I was working on the assumption we could work with her and I'm fairly confident I said as such.
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Post by Nymphadora Tonks on May 27, 2022 20:57:17 GMT 10
Well… we we working against Barty but still hoped to work with you ![(rofl)](//storage2.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/rofl.png) We both agreed that the 2 of you were the most powerful players even before Kingsley was voted out, and so from our ignorant perspective, we thought there’d be no issue voting Crouch out with the numbers we had. I was hoping to break the two of you up and hopefully strengthen that initial 4 we made all the way back at Grimauld place. Sadly, I was the one that switched Diggle and Oliver around, thinking that Diggle being with Yaxley would provide a very easy reason to vote out Barty when you would have justifiably been annoyed. I asked Diggle what he would have done, and he confirmed that I was doomed the second he switched. it was my own spell that sent me out of the game, although I suspect Oliver would have also voted me out But it all makes sense though because you knew all along I was against Crouch, and that’s why you stopped talking to me on that day right? That switch was among the highlights of my game. I legitimately would not have wanted to vote for any of you/Fleur/Crouch/Yaxley at that point. It was such an unfortunate situation wasn’t it! Would you have voted me out at that point as well though because I realised you also stopped talking to me on that day hahahha.
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