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Post by Lily Potter on May 27, 2022 16:30:55 GMT 10
My perspective on the two, for all it matters, is that Yax was always in with the people that mattered most to direct decisions and for some reason never got targeted. Black was someone who didn't have the luxury of a partner, nor anyone who he could direct votes with, but had a strong enough social game to always have people looking out for him as their back pocket ally, and was able to maneuver himself as a kingmaker for the endgame. Despite being a challenge beast who won 5 challenges and 4 consecutive, I think the only challenge he actually needed to win was the FIC. At no point were the numbers actually there to take out Yaxley. The two pairs alliance made a sizeable voting bloc so the last mathematical time was at F9 and even then that would have relied on Moody betraying Diggs. And he wouldn’t have been in danger at the F11/10 double council. I feel like Barty and Diggs wouldn’t have done it at any point apart from possibly F3. He wasn’t immune at f5 and was the obvious target to take out then but Diggs was still the one who would have gone home regardless of HII I think regulus has played a really great underdog scrappy game. If you recall at the merge vote the two names floating around were Moody and Regulus. Now moody won immunity but it’s not like it defaulted onto regulus - it shifted to Kingsley. I think that’s in part to the social relationships that he was able to build with people. He’s someone I should have had the least connection with on paper at the merge having not played with him (I was at least working with lucius via oliver) but even then we agreed to have a secret working relationship where we would look out for each other. If Barty and I hadn’t found the HII at F7 (which basically guaranteed F4 for the both of us), I was tempted to push to save him at F7 and take out Moody even before RAB got paired immunity So I think you have two players who have played very contrasting games, but both got to the end with active and good gameplay.
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Post by Nymphadora Tonks on May 27, 2022 17:18:33 GMT 10
I personally find that they played really strong, distinct and individual games, and I think that they are both deserving to win.
I’m not sure on whether to vote for Yaxley, as the reality is that I barely even know him. I think we were together for about 4 days? It’s evident he played a really strong and well-rounded game of mostly being in the majority, in the main alliance and with a great voting record. I spose where he loses out to Black is that to me it sort of feels like he was able to land in a strong alliance and just didn’t have to face nearly as much adversity as Black did to get here. Of course, its a testament to his social game that he was always so comfortable in the main alliance, but there’s also a lot of merit to someone like Black who had to fight and constantly prove themself to stay one extra day. Especially because I barely even know Yax, I think my question to Yax would be asking whether he would vote for me if I took his spot, he was voted out when I did and everything else went down the exact same. So basically asking whether he’d vote for someone he barely knows at all.
In terms of Black, I find that a lot of luck influenced his game. Both good luck and bad luck. He got some good luck with the immunity pairs and how he luckily won through extension of another player’s win. He also got a lot of bad luck, with his allies constantly being sent home. I think that’s why he’s a bit of a divisive person here, because some are more inclined to appreciate the bad luck he overcame, and some scrutinise the good luck he had. He defineitly wasn’t as dominant or well connected as Yaxley, but he overcame so much to get where he is, and was great at being resourceful and making himself appear useful to others. I think my question to him will be to describe one point in the game where luck had no influence in him, and he was purely in control of an outcome in this game.
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Post by Lucius Malfoy on May 27, 2022 17:27:15 GMT 10
Blacks answer will be my boot
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Post by Nymphadora Tonks on May 27, 2022 17:28:16 GMT 10
Blacks answer will be my boot Would you see that as a good answer?
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Post by Lucius Malfoy on May 27, 2022 17:29:36 GMT 10
Blacks answer will be my boot He could have saved me by voting for wood. I told him I was was voting for wood. Wood had just told him that the only person he (wood) wanted to vote for was him (black). I’d told him I was keeping him as a side piece. He probably believed it but me going, gave him so much more value to others especially as woods value decreased dramatically at that point. He made the right call there by far.
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Post by Lucius Malfoy on May 27, 2022 17:30:57 GMT 10
Blacks answer will be my boot Would you see that as a good answer? So yes 😉
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Post by Dedalus Diggle on May 27, 2022 19:34:49 GMT 10
So, I wanna contribute my insights, too. As for personal preferences:Black has been fun to talk to from my pov. Despite the fact that I just never was in the situation where I felt like teaming up with him, I appreciated the honesty we had. At a certain I actually never once lied to him all the while having a lot of fun bits about all sorts of stuff, like music preferences and the likes. Yaxley is not only my BvW partner (and thus has a leg up naturally), but as soon as we reunited at merge, things picked up for us. I loved this dude from day 0. He was hilarious, kind of a goofball and strangly nice. I'm sure you saw through our bullshit attempts to veil our actual relationship, but since it's playing a huge part in my decision, I won't make a secret out of it anymore. Game play:Firstly: abôut béing a targét, I'm not saying it would 'ave worked bût monsieur Yaxley would 'ave been a targét without immúnities as well so fróm my pérspective that aspéct is arôund équal I have to object. I value Yax's challenge wins pretty high. Some of the challenges in these games have been ridiculously difficult or unnecessary complicated (no hate, hosts ![:-*](http://images.proboards.com/new/kiss.gif) ), so Yax winning these is an achievement on its own. I think this should also be valued. BlackI don't want to insult him here, but tbh I don't see many achievements on Black's side. The only one - and that is actually very impressive - he's in the Finale despite being a possible target since Idk 100 rounds or so. I really need some actual evidence what he actively did to gain that finalist's spot. YaxleyI think BCJ or Lucius can enlighten the first half of Yax's game more than I do. I only have owl posts, hearsay, assumptions and conclusions about that first half. My opinion on Yax's gameplay is solely based on post-merge appearance. Yax and I discussed basically everything. We planned ahead, discussed our options, provided headsups and updates, etc. All I got from him was very substantial. Despite him and me being the couple that was mostly replaced by most at some point, we prevailed until Final 5, and he even surpassed the power couple of LCJ (do you have another shipping name? ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) ) From my pov Yax actively secured his position by saying the right things to the right people. He banked on the right people and alliances and whenever his name even slightly was on the line, he made sure to win challenges to be safe regardless. I'm not denying the fact that if not for winning those challenges chances are high he'd be here now, too, but even then I trust he'd found another way to survive. I don't know if this helps anyone, but this is all I can offer ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) If you have specific questions, I can check our PMs and see if I can get an answer out of that - also again Barty Crouch Jr probably has more insight into Yax's gameplay ![:)](http://images.proboards.com/new/smiley.png)
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Post by Barty Crouch Jr on May 27, 2022 19:43:56 GMT 10
Oh for sure. I was with Yaxley from 1st day till the last day - and i am super impressed by his gameplay. His challenge victories were not necessarily at all, and only put unnecessary target on him. Great player, and great guy.
RAB is great guy too, i wrote multiple confessionals that we would be besties in open ID or closed ID with newbie cast season, as we kept wanting to talk about life, but kept realizing that there's not much stuff which could be said. But i think he only has Diggle's and mine's votes in his resume. While Yaxley was in the center of every vote.
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Post by Fleur Delacour on May 27, 2022 20:08:10 GMT 10
As 'as been said many tìmes, monsieur Black 'as monsieur Malfoy's vote on 'is résumé while monsieur Yaxley actively wantéd tò keep 'im
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Post by Oliver Wood on May 27, 2022 20:13:25 GMT 10
As 'as been said many tìmes, monsieur Black 'as monsieur Malfoy's vote on 'is résumé while monsieur Yaxley actively wantéd tò keep 'im No disrespect to Black intended here but is tagging along on someone else's vote really a resume builder?
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Post by Barty Crouch Jr on May 27, 2022 20:14:39 GMT 10
As 'as been said many tìmes, monsieur Black 'as monsieur Malfoy's vote on 'is résumé while monsieur Yaxley actively wantéd tò keep 'im By keeping Wood over Malfoy, only Yaxley's immunity victory saved RAB from taking 7th place as the votes would had split between Wood and RAB during F7 vote.
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Post by Nymphadora Tonks on May 27, 2022 20:28:03 GMT 10
As 'as been said many tìmes, monsieur Black 'as monsieur Malfoy's vote on 'is résumé while monsieur Yaxley actively wantéd tò keep 'im I don’t want to cause drama or be the one to disagree, but I think a point no one is really mentioning is the fact that Black never had his partner with him. I for one think it’s a massive achievement to have made that merge without ever having a partner. Partners were a major driving force in this game, and it is pretty much a fact that all the most powerful players had their partner with them. Just by not having a partner, Black was at a major inherent disadvantage as all the partnered players (Mainly BCJ/Lily and Yax/Diggle) were able to work together and drive all the votes. He had to fight against something totally out of his control. In my opinion, he did the best he could do with what he was given.
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Post by Dedalus Diggle on May 27, 2022 20:35:36 GMT 10
As 'as been said many tìmes, monsieur Black 'as monsieur Malfoy's vote on 'is résumé while monsieur Yaxley actively wantéd tò keep 'im I don’t want to cause drama or be the one to disagree, but I think a point no one is really mentioning is the fact that Black never had his partner with him. I for one think it’s a massive achievement to have made that merge without ever having a partner. Partners were a major driving force in this game, and it is pretty much a fact that all the most powerful players had their partner with them. Just by not having a partner, Black was at a major inherent disadvantage as all the partnered players (Mainly BCJ/Lily and Yax/Diggle) were able to work together and drive all the votes. He had to fight against something totally out of his control. In my opinion, he did the best he could do with what he was given. I agree on that! He's definitely made the best out of the cards he was dealt. However, it's to some extent also an advantage, when people don't assume "oh, you're definitely not targetting XY ever" and people are more likely willing to keep you as a number/tool/goat whatever. I feel like this is what happened here. At one point, I don't remember who said that specifically, someone mentioned that Black is so off the radar that at some point he'll be forgotten entirely and is then sitting in the Finale. And I feel like this is exactly what happened. I know this sounds harsh, but it's just my perspective on it.
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Post by Nymphadora Tonks on May 27, 2022 20:39:03 GMT 10
I don’t want to cause drama or be the one to disagree, but I think a point no one is really mentioning is the fact that Black never had his partner with him. I for one think it’s a massive achievement to have made that merge without ever having a partner. Partners were a major driving force in this game, and it is pretty much a fact that all the most powerful players had their partner with them. Just by not having a partner, Black was at a major inherent disadvantage as all the partnered players (Mainly BCJ/Lily and Yax/Diggle) were able to work together and drive all the votes. He had to fight against something totally out of his control. In my opinion, he did the best he could do with what he was given. I agree on that! He's definitely made the best out of the cards he was dealt. However, it's to some extent also an advantage, when people don't assume "oh, you're definitely not targetting XY ever" and people are more likely willing to keep you as a number/tool/goat whatever. I feel like this is what happened here. At one point, I don't remember who said that specifically, someone mentioned that Black is so off the radar that at some point he'll be forgotten entirely and is then sitting in the Finale. And I feel like this is exactly what happened. I know this sounds harsh, but it's just my perspective on it. Very true Diggs! I spose its 2 sides to the same coin. But my 1 question is then, and I may have misunderstood this, but wasn’t he a lock to go home had he not gotten lucky with those 2 immunity wins as the partner of the actual winner?
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Post by Dedalus Diggle on May 27, 2022 20:45:43 GMT 10
From what I know, he's been the target of most votes - only to be destroyed by his immunity partner (mostly Yax xD) winning the challenge. I can't recall HOW OFTEN I told people "yup, it's Black" and then he either got immunity or we decided that it's best timing to take threat XY out instead.
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Post by Barty Crouch Jr on May 27, 2022 20:47:16 GMT 10
I agree on that! He's definitely made the best out of the cards he was dealt. However, it's to some extent also an advantage, when people don't assume "oh, you're definitely not targetting XY ever" and people are more likely willing to keep you as a number/tool/goat whatever. I feel like this is what happened here. At one point, I don't remember who said that specifically, someone mentioned that Black is so off the radar that at some point he'll be forgotten entirely and is then sitting in the Finale. And I feel like this is exactly what happened. I know this sounds harsh, but it's just my perspective on it. Very true Diggs! I spose its 2 sides to the same coin. But my 1 question is then, and I may have misunderstood this, but wasn’t he a lock to go home had he not gotten lucky with those 2 immunity wins as the partner of the actual winner?in my books, he would had went home at F7, but of course there were possibilities for alternative plans to come along as always. Yaxley wining immunity saved RAB from 7th place. none of the rounds Yaxley won immunity - he would had been targeted, i think even F3 immunity if RAB had won it - he would had taken Yaxley.
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Post by Fleur Delacour on May 27, 2022 20:50:09 GMT 10
just think abôut it fór a momént. I'm not saying monsieur Yaxley wasn't importante becàuse obviously 'e 'ad móre actúal alliances than monsieur Black did, bût from mérge:
Monsieur Shacklebolt: monsieur Yaxley wantéd monsieur Moody bût monsieur Shacklebolt was a fine altérnative while monsieur Black was kèpt safe by 'is rélationships bût didn't 'ave an active rôle in déciding the vote.
Monsieur Killér and Tonks: I don't knôw énough abôut monsieur Black's rôle bût 'e didn't drive it (maybe 'ad rélationships tò 'elp 'I'm?) while monsieur Yaxley 'ad the rélationships bût 'is 'ands wére tìed by monsieur Diggle only wantìng tò vote Tonks, so 'e gets the social crédit bût not the stratégic.
Monsieur Malfoy: Monsieur Black actively made the décision while monsieur Yaxley would 'ave saved monsieur Malfoy. Both made the còrrect décisions fór themselves bût ultimátely monsieur Black prévailed.
Fleur: was it not monsieur Yaxley's còmment saying that thiz was a súrprise tò wake up tò? So I don't buy 'im béing pivótal tò it at all. Fírst càse of monsieur Black éscaping becàuse of "biggér fish tò fry"
Monsieur Moody: should 'ave made a plan with 'im and Olivér tò túrn things arôund. Appàrently they did tàlk so I wôuld be cúrious tò know what éxactly was the próblem? Becàuse I see thiz as the biggést missed oppòrtunity fór all three of you qùite fránkly. Monsieur Yaxley also votéd fór Olivér so ultimátely 'e left the décision tò othér pèople. Stratégically not 'is move. Socially 'e and monsieur Diggle 'ad the rélationships to stay safe, bût if the othér side voted tògethér and played the idol fór the còrrect pèrson it wouldn't 'ave mattéred.
Olivér: monsieur Black most likely goes 'ome without immúnity and monsieur Yaxley 'ad the rélationships tò prévent monsieur Diggle fróm góing 'ome so thiz góes fór mon Yaxley obviously.
Monsieur Diggle: Monsieur Black was the pivótal 5th vote and took advántage of it the only way 'e còuld.
Monsieur Crouch: Monsieur Black winning immúnity méans that 'e càn fórce monsieur Yaxley tò vote out monsieur Crouch, which was the ríght move fór 'im as it guarantées that régardless of who wins the final challénge 'e is likely tò make it tò final 2. Pùtting yourself in thiz pòsition is absolutely a stréngth (takìng out Lily leaves open the pòssibility of monsieur Yaxley and monsieur Crouch gettìng back tògethér if one of them wins final immúnity)
So while yes, maybe monsieur Yaxley gets a small édge in some aspécts, bût it's réally not as significánt as it may seem at fírst, I don't think, and of còurse 'ow they árgue fór themselves and whethér they see themselves the same way as we do (the best càse that they càn make fór themselves) is 'ugely importante fór both of thém
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Post by Lucius Malfoy on May 27, 2022 21:02:52 GMT 10
just think abôut it fór a momént. I'm not saying monsieur Yaxley wasn't importante becàuse obviously 'e 'ad móre actúal alliances than monsieur Black did, bût from mérge: Monsieur Shacklebolt: monsieur Yaxley wantéd monsieur Moody bût monsieur Shacklebolt was a fine altérnative while monsieur Black was kèpt safe by 'is rélationships bût didn't 'ave an active rôle in déciding the vote. Monsieur Killér and Tonks: I don't knôw énough abôut monsieur Black's rôle bût 'e didn't drive it (maybe 'ad rélationships tò 'elp 'I'm?) while monsieur Yaxley 'ad the rélationships bût 'is 'ands wére tìed by monsieur Diggle only wantìng tò vote Tonks, so 'e gets the social crédit bût not the stratégic. Monsieur Malfoy: Monsieur Black actively made the décision while monsieur Yaxley would 'ave saved monsieur Malfoy. Both made the còrrect décisions fór themselves bût ultimátely monsieur Black prévailed. Fleur: was it not monsieur Yaxley's còmment saying that thiz was a súrprise tò wake up tò? So I don't buy 'im béing pivótal tò it at all. Fírst càse of monsieur Black éscaping becàuse of "biggér fish tò fry" Monsieur Moody: should 'ave made a plan with 'im and Olivér tò túrn things arôund. Appàrently they did tàlk so I wôuld be cúrious tò know what éxactly was the próblem? Becàuse I see thiz as the biggést missed oppòrtunity fór all three of you qùite fránkly. Monsieur Yaxley also votéd fór Olivér so ultimátely 'e left the décision tò othér pèople. Stratégically not 'is move. Socially 'e and monsieur Diggle 'ad the rélationships to stay safe, bût if the othér side voted tògethér and played the idol fór the còrrect pèrson it wouldn't 'ave mattéred. Olivér: monsieur Black most likely goes 'ome without immúnity and monsieur Yaxley 'ad the rélationships tò prévent monsieur Diggle fróm góing 'ome so thiz góes fór mon Yaxley obviously. Monsieur Diggle: Monsieur Black was the pivótal 5th vote and took advántage of it the only way 'e còuld. Monsieur Crouch: Monsieur Black winning immúnity méans that 'e càn fórce monsieur Yaxley tò vote out monsieur Crouch, which was the ríght move fór 'im as it guarantées that régardless of who wins the final challénge 'e is likely tò make it tò final 2. Pùtting yourself in thiz pòsition is absolutely a stréngth (takìng out Lily leaves open the pòssibility of monsieur Yaxley and monsieur Crouch gettìng back tògethér if one of them wins final immúnity) So while yes, maybe monsieur Yaxley gets a small édge in some aspécts, bût it's réally not as significánt as it may seem at fírst, I don't think, and of còurse 'ow they árgue fór themselves and whethér they see themselves the same way as we do (the best càse that they càn make fór themselves) is 'ugely importante fór both of thém I can only speak for the first three here but Yax did not want moody out as Diggle did not want moody out. But the tide went that way and it was too hard to change (that said Dickie was probably going to play the idol for him which is quite funny cause I busted my arse winning immunity to keep moody safe). I’m not sure why it became canary over black but it suited me fine. Black had no involvement HKs vote. He thought he was even going home until it all blew up. We were keeping him thinking that so hk felt safe and didn’t play the idol he didn’t have. Yax wanted me gone on my boot. He told barty he was afraid they’d been seen as my goats. Losing him then sealed my fate. If yax agrees to my boot fleur plan there, I reckon she goes.
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Post by Oliver Wood on May 27, 2022 21:05:30 GMT 10
just think abôut it fór a momént. I'm not saying monsieur Yaxley wasn't importante becàuse obviously 'e 'ad móre actúal alliances than monsieur Black did, bût from mérge: Monsieur Moody: should 'ave made a plan with 'im and Olivér tò túrn things arôund. Appàrently they did tàlk so I wôuld be cúrious tò know what éxactly was the próblem? Becàuse I see thiz as the biggést missed oppòrtunity fór all three of you qùite fránkly. Monsieur Yaxley also votéd fór Olivér so ultimátely 'e left the décision tò othér pèople. Stratégically not 'is move. Socially 'e and monsieur Diggle 'ad the rélationships to stay safe, bût if the othér side voted tògethér and played the idol fór the còrrect pèrson it wouldn't 'ave mattéred. The singles were never getting off the ground as Moody could rely on Diggle to keep him around. Once Black won immunity, I had the idol so Moody was the odd one out. Unfortunately, Moody was on a different schedule to the rest of us otherwise one of the pairs would have been eliminated at that point.
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Post by Barty Crouch Jr on May 27, 2022 21:18:32 GMT 10
just think abôut it fór a momént. I'm not saying monsieur Yaxley wasn't importante becàuse obviously 'e 'ad móre actúal alliances than monsieur Black did, bût from mérge: Monsieur Shacklebolt: monsieur Yaxley wantéd monsieur Moody bût monsieur Shacklebolt was a fine altérnative while monsieur Black was kèpt safe by 'is rélationships bût didn't 'ave an active rôle in déciding the vote. Monsieur Killér and Tonks: I don't knôw énough abôut monsieur Black's rôle bût 'e didn't drive it (maybe 'ad rélationships tò 'elp 'I'm?) while monsieur Yaxley 'ad the rélationships bût 'is 'ands wére tìed by monsieur Diggle only wantìng tò vote Tonks, so 'e gets the social crédit bût not the stratégic. Monsieur Malfoy: Monsieur Black actively made the décision while monsieur Yaxley would 'ave saved monsieur Malfoy. Both made the còrrect décisions fór themselves bût ultimátely monsieur Black prévailed. Fleur: was it not monsieur Yaxley's còmment saying that thiz was a súrprise tò wake up tò? So I don't buy 'im béing pivótal tò it at all. Fírst càse of monsieur Black éscaping becàuse of "biggér fish tò fry" Monsieur Moody: should 'ave made a plan with 'im and Olivér tò túrn things arôund. Appàrently they did tàlk so I wôuld be cúrious tò know what éxactly was the próblem? Becàuse I see thiz as the biggést missed oppòrtunity fór all three of you qùite fránkly. Monsieur Yaxley also votéd fór Olivér so ultimátely 'e left the décision tò othér pèople. Stratégically not 'is move. Socially 'e and monsieur Diggle 'ad the rélationships to stay safe, bût if the othér side voted tògethér and played the idol fór the còrrect pèrson it wouldn't 'ave mattéred. Olivér: monsieur Black most likely goes 'ome without immúnity and monsieur Yaxley 'ad the rélationships tò prévent monsieur Diggle fróm góing 'ome so thiz góes fór mon Yaxley obviously. Monsieur Diggle: Monsieur Black was the pivótal 5th vote and took advántage of it the only way 'e còuld. Monsieur Crouch: Monsieur Black winning immúnity méans that 'e càn fórce monsieur Yaxley tò vote out monsieur Crouch, which was the ríght move fór 'im as it guarantées that régardless of who wins the final challénge 'e is likely tò make it tò final 2. Pùtting yourself in thiz pòsition is absolutely a stréngth (takìng out Lily leaves open the pòssibility of monsieur Yaxley and monsieur Crouch gettìng back tògethér if one of them wins final immúnity) So while yes, maybe monsieur Yaxley gets a small édge in some aspécts, bût it's réally not as significánt as it may seem at fírst, I don't think, and of còurse 'ow they árgue fór themselves and whethér they see themselves the same way as we do (the best càse that they càn make fór themselves) is 'ugely importante fór both of thém i use Protego to your silencio spell and write some comments to these statements. to some of them i don't have enough knowledge, i agree to some others, but have different view to these: " Monsieur Killér and Tonks: I don't knôw énough abôut monsieur Black's rôle bût 'e didn't drive it (maybe 'ad rélationships tò 'elp 'I'm?)" - this was at least 3 occasion when RAB would had been a simple vote but others choose more dangerous player to vo for (1st occasion being Lestrange's vote, 2nd from what i heard happened when you voted Pyrites out to separate him from Moody). "Monsieur Malfoy: Monsieur Black actively made the décision while monsieur Yaxley would 'ave saved monsieur Malfoy. Both made the còrrect décisions fór themselves bût ultimátely monsieur Black prévailed." Black voting Malfoy our almost doomed him to 7th place while Yaxley trying to keep Malfoy here was to guarantee him majority numbers in F8. "Fleur: was it not monsieur Yaxley's còmment saying that thiz was a súrprise tò wake up tò? So I don't buy 'im béing pivótal tò it at all. Fírst càse of monsieur Black éscaping becàuse of "biggér fish tò fry"" I don't remember that Yaxley's comment, but the only thing which were surprising to him was that it's 4-2-2 and not 4-3-1. He knew that 4 votes goes to you, and he knew that everyone in this 4 are doing their best to make others to not unite against 4 of us. Monsieur Moody: Monsieur Yaxley also votéd fór Olivér so ultimátely 'e left the décision tò othér pèople. Stratégically not 'is move. Socially 'e and monsieur Diggle 'ad the rélationships to stay safe, bût if the othér side voted tògethér and played the idol fór the còrrect pèrson it wouldn't 'ave mattéred. Pairs agreed that each pair are voting together in that split simply to keep getting the house points. as Lily didn't felt comfortable writing Wood's vote, and Diggle was heartbroken to write Moody's vote - we split the votes that they voted for Wood. Yaxley was crucial in that vote to SUBMIT PREVOTE LIST, which i never did. he thought and covered all the possible scenarios. and i loved his reaction when he came online "of course i submited the list, have some faith in me!" Monsieur Diggle: Monsieur Black was the pivótal 5th vote and took advántage of it the only way 'e còuld. I was the 5th vote here. Lily united with RAB, Diggle and Yaxley were voting RAB. RAB had no power in that vote, besides of looking not dangerous enough to survie 5th time because of there being bigger fish to fry .. completely agree about the role in my vote. Btw, i hope Yaxley will talk a lot about how without him, HK wouldn't had made the merge (well, unless a switch saves him), as he was the only one in alliance of me/Wood/Lily/Yaxley who wanted to vote Pyrites ![:)](http://images.proboards.com/new/smiley.png)
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