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Post by Lucius Malfoy on May 25, 2022 19:07:44 GMT 10
Just making a seperate thread for this
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Post by Lucius Malfoy on May 25, 2022 19:33:50 GMT 10
So for me, I'd rank the final 4 in terms of how I would vote right now as: 1/2 Barty / Yax (so for me I am voting Barty here out of loyalty as I expect Dickie would vote Yax) but for anyone else I expect taht this is really dependent on how good each of their FTC's are. They have both played incredible games. 3/4 Reggy/Lily (Here my vote would essentially being 100% undetermined and based on FTC if that was the final 2). On Barty I need to delcare my bias, as he was obviously my no. 1 guy the whole game but from my perspetive: - He has been a big player the whole game and has barely copped any votes.
- He was in an actual alliance with me meaning he had to handle all my chaos and bullshit which he did masterfully.
- He found the merge idol, which seemed difficult (even Dickie seemed baffled about it last night)?
- He was pivotal in helping me find the MM idol and providing the instructions to Lily and Wood on how to find the Order one. While I found all the parchments and the password, he'd developed enough of a relationship with me that I felt I could trust him with the 7 hour name insertion and not screw me at the end and take the idol. He then suggested I tell Lily how to get it via owl.
- Is in the only pair left at final 4.
- His social game is top teir. I believe he put a lot of work into everyone and building rapport. I recall Pyrites telling me that Barty was the only one who bothered to chat with him other than me.
- Has been in control the entire game and likely has voted correctly at every vote.
On Yax, we had a day 2 alliance that was pretty strong, but he wen't off me at merge (I blame you Dickie ![:)](http://images.proboards.com/new/smiley.png) ). - Is still doing his dumb death eater shtick which is second only to Fleur's amazing work.
- Has played an incredible under the radar game which has fully formed at the right time. The textbook best approach to Survivor.
- Does an incredible job of 'playing dumb' about all things especially his relationship with Dickie.
- Won 4 immunites in a row.
- Took me out at the right time out of fear that he'd be seen as my goat, which was likely the right call. His vote was the one I was really relying on at 9 to take our Fleur, but I planned to cut him at 5 so it was the right move for him.
On Reggy: - Has done it tough. He lost is Day 0 partner (Figg) almost immediately. He lost his Day 1 alliance (Carrow) at the same time. He lost his next besite a few days later with Rudy going. Yet he has perservered against the odds, time and time again.
- From final 9, I think he's just sort of been dragged as a goat.
- Has voted the wrong way at a lot of MCs.
- Posted in the wrong missive thread once which dominio'd into me idoling out Rudy,
- Doesn't really have a move on his resume?
On Lily: - Has sort of being carried by Barty.
- Hasn't really done anything.
- Posted in the wrong missive thread which dominio'd into me beign booted.
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Post by Nymphadora Tonks on May 25, 2022 21:01:41 GMT 10
Love this Lucius! I would contribute but I don’t really have a good grasp on the games of the final 4 so right now my vote is really up in the air. I will be determined by FTC 100%
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Post by Fleur Delacour on May 25, 2022 21:22:30 GMT 10
I còuldn't càre less abôut moves on someone´s résumé becàuse those are almost nevér simply up tò the individúal, bût the move tò send you 'ome was actúally monsieur Black's becàuse 'e switched 'is vote (monsieur Diggle cònfirmed this by cònfirming 'e switched tò Olivér). Obviously the idol ended up not réally béing a factór, bût fór me 'aving it in the game was bettér than gettìng rid of it so this wôuld be 'is move.
I don't know if 'e 'ad thought about it thiz fár, maybe not as 'e ended up not tàking full advántage of it, but 'aving the idol in the game should 'ave been bettér fór 'im as well
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Post by Lucius Malfoy on May 25, 2022 21:52:07 GMT 10
I còuldn't cà re less abôut moves on someone´s résumé becàuse those a re almost nevér simply up tò the individúal, bût the move tò send you 'ome was actúally monsieur Black's becàuse 'e switched 'is vote (monsieur Diggle cònfirmed this by cònfirming 'e switched tò Olivér). Obviously the idol ended up not réally béing a factór, bût fór me 'aving it in the game was bettér than gettìng rid of it so this wôuld be 'is move. I don't know if 'e 'ad thought about it thiz fár, maybe not as 'e ended up not tàking full advántage of it, but 'aving the idol in the game should 'ave been bettér fór 'im as well Yeah this is a good call.
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Post by Hedwig's Killer on May 26, 2022 0:01:47 GMT 10
The issue is that I never bought Crouch's dumb act. it was just incredibly frustrating and did a terrible job of hiding what he was doing.
At least for Tonks and I, the rest of you dumb fucks got got.
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Post by Barty Crouch Jr on May 26, 2022 1:56:40 GMT 10
On Lily: - Has sort of being carried by Barty.
- Hasn't really done anything.
- Posted in the wrong missive thread which dominio'd into me beign booted.
Ok, i feel like i need to go against these untruth statements. I saw her game the most, as we hid literally nothing all game. first 3 pages of our Missives are non-stop strategy talk, explaining all the situations from our sides. She inspired me to start playing, so that literally means that she pulled me away from the ground on my feet, and not like I carried her. Hasn't done anything? Had anyone heard about the fantastic move pulled on the best social player ORG's had ever seen? Voting Fleur out was Lily's plan, i only acted as a connector between her and Diggle/Yaxley. She gave all needed information for me to use, and she was the brain talking with clear mind in all our game conversations. She plays fantastic social game, and still has balls to cut the connections she built, while i didn't had that much strength in myself, which lead me to be here now. When RAB got that immunity in F7 - it was Lily who got the plan how to avoid Wood's idol, with keeping TAPP (couples alliance) intact. When i was being weak and wondering if we should flip on Diggle during F7 revote, she was the one who knew what to do and trust in Yaxley's prevote list. She was warning me that Yaxley's challenge performance is too good, and we need to take him out in F5 - guess what, i dissagreed, saved Yaxley, and Yaxley's challenge performance put me in a ponderosa. And i am not telling that "to defend a friend" - i am not even entirely sure if after my F5 move - she still considers me a friend, but she played an amazing game, and i was the most scared of her in FTC. (my perfect scenario was F3 with her and Yaxley, where Yaxley wins immunity and votes her out allowing me to keep clean hands)
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Post by Fleur Delacour on May 26, 2022 2:09:29 GMT 10
That bitch
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Post by Fleur Delacour on May 26, 2022 2:13:14 GMT 10
All game nothing bút lies abôut me. I 'ope she búrns
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Post by Barty Crouch Jr on May 26, 2022 2:25:14 GMT 10
All game nothing bút lies abôut me. I 'ope she búrns i know, right? how dare she play this game so perfectly?
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Post by Fleur Delacour on May 26, 2022 3:00:41 GMT 10
It 'as nothing tò do with the game, bût you would be bettér tò zip it or I will càst silencio on you
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Post by Fleur Delacour on May 26, 2022 3:20:00 GMT 10
I will not bring it up agáin becàuse 'onestly thiz subjéct mattér makes me tìred, bût I alréady wasn't góing tò vote fór 'er when I thought she 'ad nothing tò do with my élimination. She 'as no báckbone and no cònviction tò stand be'ind 'er own opinions, she pùts wórds in pèople's mouths and présents 'er opinions as someone else's, and she's éxtremely transparént while dóing it;
and tò me pérsonally why I will nevér vote fór 'er: She ignóres 'alf of my messáges and prétends I nevér said what I said. That kìnd of arrogánce doesn't desérve tò be réwarded. Certáinly not by me.
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Post by Oliver Wood on May 26, 2022 7:43:00 GMT 10
I saw Lily as my #1 but I think Fleur's truth is closer to Crouch's here. Lily passed off the Fleur vote to me as Crouch's idea and while I knew I was in the gun a long way out, neither Lily nor Crouch were so much as willing to discuss alternatives. Both made it to F4 so they've been somewhat validated though I still disagree with their actions and chosen path.
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Post by Alastor 'Mad-Eye' Moody on May 26, 2022 8:37:44 GMT 10
I dunno if this is at all accurate, but I'll give some more thoughts on each of the remaining three, which won't be really positive for any of 'em. So my neutral to negative one word summaries of each of 'em are: Lily was tired, Black was uninterested, and Yaxley was busy. Which is why evaluating the positives of their games are all difficult for me.
- Lily never took that personal responsibility for whatever was being pushed that round. The tone of her messages to me always made it seem like she was tired of all the scrambling, just wanted things to be easy, and wanted everyone to come to a decision early and have it be done with. Everything that happened was always due to someone else, and she seemed pretty exhausted with the merge in general. Just the impression I got from the way we'd talk.
- Black and I should have been working together by all accounts but never did. Was this my fault partly? Oh sure, but I'll put blame on him for it too. Even when I thought he should be workin his arse off to survive, it always seemed like he was just taking the back seat to everything. And if he hadn't been gifted immunity a couple key times by no doing of his own, I don't think he's here right now? Considering I think he at least goes at 7 instead of me if Yaxley doesn't win that.
- Yaxley's never pretended like he wasn't scramblin' in real life most of the time this season. Almost every other message was us each apologising to each other for takin' so long to get back, what with life in the way. I always felt secure with him through Diggle, but never got nitty gritty with him in particular. He won a bunch of challenges he didn't need to, and I'd argue actually worked against him a couple times (7 and 6) considering he kept Black immune that way both times, and I dunno that he'd have needed it either round if Black was on the table in both.
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Post by Lucius Malfoy on May 26, 2022 8:49:33 GMT 10
@barty
As may have become apparent, you were likely winning this.
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Post by Hedwig's Killer on May 26, 2022 13:59:55 GMT 10
I will not b ring it up agáin becàuse 'onestly thiz subjéct mattér makes me tìred, bût I alréady wasn't góing tò vote fór 'er when I thought she 'ad nothing tò do with my élimination. She 'as no báckbone and no cònviction tò stand be'ind 'er own opinions, she pùts wórds in pèople's mouths and présents 'er opinions as someone else's, and she's éxtremely transparént while dóing it; and tò me pérsonally why I will nevér vote fór 'er: She ignóres 'alf of my messáges and prétends I nevér said what I said. That kìnd of arrogánce doesn't desérve tò be réwarded. Certáinly not by me. Piggybacking on this, both on the transparency and the arrogance. Like, it's the same I felt with both her and Crouch that has only been further confirmed in the last 24 hours... It's so frustrating to never get a single personal opinion from people like this, they just agree to everything you say and everyone underestimates them... and they make it to F6 where suddenly everyone's like "whoa, they were so good!" like... no. This isn't playing the game, it's just infantilising and disrespectful to people who actually want to discuss and play the game.
Like, Crouch apparently just arbitrarily decided on day 1 that he didn't like me, and from then on no matter what I did or said I was in his bad books? It had nothing to do with how I was playing or how much I wanted to work with him or anything I had ever said or did. It was just "I knew I couldn't trust you because I had a feeling, and so I never talked game with you".
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Post by Hedwig's Killer on May 26, 2022 14:01:38 GMT 10
I mean, obviously it works so who am I to judge ![:P](http://images.proboards.com/new/tongue.png) but it gave the game extra layers of "very not at all fun".
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Post by Alastor 'Mad-Eye' Moody on May 27, 2022 14:18:38 GMT 10
Dedalus Diggle I got a mind to think you're best able to represent Yaxley's game to us before speeches come out? Fleur Delacour what about Black's? Anyone else please chime in. I got no clue what to sk yet either and I'll probably need to figure that out before speeches are in. Help a bloke our.
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Post by Hedwig's Killer on May 27, 2022 14:43:10 GMT 10
My perspective on the two, for all it matters, is that Yax was always in with the people that mattered most to direct decisions and for some reason never got targeted. Black was someone who didn't have the luxury of a partner, nor anyone who he could direct votes with, but had a strong enough social game to always have people looking out for him as their back pocket ally, and was able to maneuver himself as a kingmaker for the endgame.
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Post by Fleur Delacour on May 27, 2022 15:13:48 GMT 10
I will 'ave tò try and artìculate latér when I 'ave the tìme bût abôut béing a targét, I'm not saying it would 'ave worked bût monsieur Yaxley would 'ave been a targét without immúnities as well so fróm my pérspective that aspéct is arôund équal
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