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Post by Lucius Malfoy on May 27, 2022 21:31:58 GMT 10
just think abôut it fór a momént. I'm not saying monsieur Yaxley wasn't importante becàuse obviously 'e 'ad móre actúal alliances than monsieur Black did, bût from mérge: Monsieur Shacklebolt: monsieur Yaxley wantéd monsieur Moody bût monsieur Shacklebolt was a fine altérnative while monsieur Black was kèpt safe by 'is rélationships bût didn't 'ave an active rôle in déciding the vote. Monsieur Killér and Tonks: I don't knôw énough abôut monsieur Black's rôle bût 'e didn't drive it (maybe 'ad rélationships tò 'elp 'I'm?) while monsieur Yaxley 'ad the rélationships bût 'is 'ands wére tìed by monsieur Diggle only wantìng tò vote Tonks, so 'e gets the social crédit bût not the stratégic. Monsieur Malfoy: Monsieur Black actively made the décision while monsieur Yaxley would 'ave saved monsieur Malfoy. Both made the còrrect décisions fór themselves bût ultimátely monsieur Black prévailed. Fleur: was it not monsieur Yaxley's còmment saying that thiz was a súrprise tò wake up tò? So I don't buy 'im béing pivótal tò it at all. Fírst càse of monsieur Black éscaping becàuse of "biggér fish tò fry" Monsieur Moody: should 'ave made a plan with 'im and Olivér tò túrn things arôund. Appàrently they did tàlk so I wôuld be cúrious tò know what éxactly was the próblem? Becàuse I see thiz as the biggést missed oppòrtunity fór all three of you qùite fránkly. Monsieur Yaxley also votéd fór Olivér so ultimátely 'e left the décision tò othér pèople. Stratégically not 'is move. Socially 'e and monsieur Diggle 'ad the rélationships to stay safe, bût if the othér side voted tògethér and played the idol fór the còrrect pèrson it wouldn't 'ave mattéred. Olivér: monsieur Black most likely goes 'ome without immúnity and monsieur Yaxley 'ad the rélationships tò prévent monsieur Diggle fróm góing 'ome so thiz góes fór mon Yaxley obviously. Monsieur Diggle: Monsieur Black was the pivótal 5th vote and took advántage of it the only way 'e còuld. Monsieur Crouch: Monsieur Black winning immúnity méans that 'e càn fórce monsieur Yaxley tò vote out monsieur Crouch, which was the ríght move fór 'im as it guarantées that régardless of who wins the final challénge 'e is likely tò make it tò final 2. Pùtting yourself in thiz pòsition is absolutely a stréngth (takìng out Lily leaves open the pòssibility of monsieur Yaxley and monsieur Crouch gettìng back tògethér if one of them wins final immúnity) So while yes, maybe monsieur Yaxley gets a small édge in some aspécts, bût it's réally not as significánt as it may seem at fírst, I don't think, and of còurse 'ow they árgue fór themselves and whethér they see themselves the same way as we do (the best càse that they càn make fór themselves) is 'ugely importante fór both of thém i use Protego to your silencio spell and write some comments to these statements. to some of them i don't have enough knowledge, i agree to some others, but have different view to these: " Monsieur Killér and Tonks: I don't knôw énough abôut monsieur Black's rôle bût 'e didn't drive it (maybe 'ad rélationships tò 'elp 'I'm?)" - this was at least 3 occasion when RAB would had been a simple vote but others choose more dangerous player to vo for (1st occasion being Lestrange's vote, 2nd from what i heard happened when you voted Pyrites out to separate him from Moody). "Monsieur Malfoy: Monsieur Black actively made the décision while monsieur Yaxley would 'ave saved monsieur Malfoy. Both made the còrrect décisions fór themselves bût ultimátely monsieur Black prévailed." Black voting Malfoy our almost doomed him to 7th place while Yaxley trying to keep Malfoy here was to guarantee him majority numbers in F8. "Fleur: was it not monsieur Yaxley's còmment saying that thiz was a súrprise tò wake up tò? So I don't buy 'im béing pivótal tò it at all. Fírst càse of monsieur Black éscaping becàuse of "biggér fish tò fry"" I don't remember that Yaxley's comment, but the only thing which were surprising to him was that it's 4-2-2 and not 4-3-1. He knew that 4 votes goes to you, and he knew that everyone in this 4 are doing their best to make others to not unite against 4 of us. Monsieur Moody: Monsieur Yaxley also votéd fór Olivér so ultimátely 'e left the décision tò othér pèople. Stratégically not 'is move. Socially 'e and monsieur Diggle 'ad the rélationships to stay safe, bût if the othér side voted tògethér and played the idol fór the còrrect pèrson it wouldn't 'ave mattéred. Pairs agreed that each pair are voting together in that split simply to keep getting the house points. as Lily didn't felt comfortable writing Wood's vote, and Diggle was heartbroken to write Moody's vote - we split the votes that they voted for Wood. Yaxley was crucial in that vote to SUBMIT PREVOTE LIST, which i never did. he thought and covered all the possible scenarios. and i loved his reaction when he came online "of course i submited the list, have some faith in me!" Monsieur Diggle: Monsieur Black was the pivótal 5th vote and took advántage of it the only way 'e còuld. I was the 5th vote here. Lily united with RAB, Diggle and Yaxley were voting RAB. RAB had no power in that vote, besides of looking not dangerous enough to survie 5th time because of there being bigger fish to fry .. completely agree about the role in my vote. Btw, i hope Yaxley will talk a lot about how without him, HK wouldn't had made the merge (well, unless a switch saves him), as he was the only one in alliance of me/Wood/Lily/Yaxley who wanted to vote Pyrites ![:)](http://images.proboards.com/new/smiley.png) When did yax try and keep me on the split? You told me he wanted me gone?
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Post by Barty Crouch Jr on May 27, 2022 21:36:55 GMT 10
He wanted you gone in general, but during the vote he kept his vote on Wood for the benefit of 2 pairs alliance.
from my understanding, your vote went: OG: Order people for you, Death eaters (me, RAB, Yaxley, you for Wood) revote: Diggle switched for Wood, RAB switched for you.
at least that's how i was told by Diggle and i didn't do any other investigation on how revote happened.
Lily and Moody both said that they would had switched to Wood too, if they were online (or if i had communicated better with Lily before the vote)
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Post by Lucius Malfoy on May 27, 2022 21:42:03 GMT 10
He wanted you gone in general, but during the vote he kept his vote on Wood for the benefit of 2 pairs alliance. from my understanding, your vote went: OG: Order people for you, Death eaters (me, RAB, Yaxley, you for Wood) revote: Diggle switched for Wood, RAB switched for you. at least that's how i was told by Diggle and i didn't do any other investigation on how revote happened. Lily and Moody both said that they would had switched to Wood too, if they were online (or if i had communicated better with Lily before the vote) That makes a lot of sense. Thanks mate
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Post by Lily Potter on May 27, 2022 22:00:21 GMT 10
He wanted you gone in general, but during the vote he kept his vote on Wood for the benefit of 2 pairs alliance. from my understanding, your vote went: OG: Order people for you, Death eaters (me, RAB, Yaxley, you for Wood) revote: Diggle switched for Wood, RAB switched for you. at least that's how i was told by Diggle and i didn't do any other investigation on how revote happened. Lily and Moody both said that they would had switched to Wood too, if they were online (or if i had communicated better with Lily before the vote) That makes a lot of sense. Thanks mate Just to clarify Oliver, I wouldn’t have flipped because I wanted you gone going into that council, I would have flipped because Barty so publicly threw you under the bus at the revote, that I suspected you wouldn’t work with us anymore whereas Lucius would feel indebted to us for saving him and have no one else to work with But yeah I was on an underground train at that point with no reception and then angry bears happened and I didn’t realise it had even gone to a revote (I thought Oliver was voting for lucius making it 5-4) until after the council had ended
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Post by Oliver Wood on May 27, 2022 22:10:01 GMT 10
That makes a lot of sense. Thanks mate Just to clarify Oliver, I wouldn’t have flipped because I wanted you gone going into that council, I would have flipped because Barty so publicly threw you under the bus at the revote, that I suspected you wouldn’t work with us anymore whereas Lucius would feel indebted to us for saving him and have no one else to work with But yeah I was on an underground train at that point with no reception and then angry bears happened and I didn’t realise it had even gone to a revote (I thought Oliver was voting for lucius making it 5-4) until after the council had ended I'm not sure I follow your logic seeing as I pretty much wound up in the same position you forecast Lucius would be in
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Post by Lily Potter on May 27, 2022 22:26:02 GMT 10
Just to clarify Oliver, I wouldn’t have flipped because I wanted you gone going into that council, I would have flipped because Barty so publicly threw you under the bus at the revote, that I suspected you wouldn’t work with us anymore whereas Lucius would feel indebted to us for saving him and have no one else to work with But yeah I was on an underground train at that point with no reception and then angry bears happened and I didn’t realise it had even gone to a revote (I thought Oliver was voting for lucius making it 5-4) until after the council had ended I'm not sure I follow your logic seeing as I pretty much wound up in the same position you forecast Lucius would be in You still had relationships with Fleur and Moody whereas Malfoy wouldn’t
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Post by Oliver Wood on May 27, 2022 22:34:15 GMT 10
I'm not sure I follow your logic seeing as I pretty much wound up in the same position you forecast Lucius would be in You still had relationships with Fleur and Moody whereas Malfoy wouldn’t Fair enough. Again, I saw that as something benefiting both of us.
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Post by Dedalus Diggle on May 28, 2022 5:15:27 GMT 10
Fleur DelacourThanks for your statement. Unfortunately my mind immediately went like "So, then both of them didn't do anything really, why is this even our Final 2?" not saying they're bad, but compared to like Lily or BCJ, they definitely weren't so active on their gamestyle. However, you made me realize that our finalists are actually on par if plead in a specific way! Definitely a close finale. Can I ask y'all another question? Do you tend to vote ORG winners by heart or by brain?
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Post by Fleur Delacour on May 28, 2022 5:43:10 GMT 10
On a scále of 1 tò 10 if différence in théir social game with me is móre than 2 the différence in stratégie would 'ave tò be móre than 4 fór me tò vote the othér way; if móre than 3 the stratégie would 'ave tò be 6; if 4 it would 'ave tò be 8. So I guess you càn say I value social game twice as múch as stratégie and that iz always subjéctive.
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Post by Dedalus Diggle on May 28, 2022 6:02:25 GMT 10
On a scále of 1 tò 10 if différence in théir social game with me is móre than 2 the différence in stratégie would 'ave tò be móre than 4 fór me tò vote the othér way; if móre than 3 the stratégie would 'ave tò be 6; if 4 it would 'ave tò be 8. So I guess you càn say I value social game twice as múch as stratégie and that iz always subjéctive. I'm not ready for maths. But I think I can follow! Interesting take.
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Post by Alastor 'Mad-Eye' Moody on May 28, 2022 6:33:20 GMT 10
Can I ask y'all another question? Do you tend to vote ORG winners by heart or by brain? Probably more with the heart - if there's an ally of mine up there in the end, it's just easier to find ways to justify a vote for 'em and turn a blind eye (heh) to some of their weaker points. I'll do ya one better though and say I vote with my gut. Definitely looking for the vote that feels most right.
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Post by Barty Crouch Jr on May 28, 2022 6:45:27 GMT 10
Can I ask y'all another question? Do you tend to vote ORG winners by heart or by brain? if my brain tells me that the players played quite similar games, i let heart to decide. But if the games aren't that similar while listening to the brain - i listen what brain told me.
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Post by Dedalus Diggle on May 28, 2022 7:14:50 GMT 10
Can I ask y'all another question? Do you tend to vote ORG winners by heart or by brain? Probably more with the heart - if there's an ally of mine up there in the end, it's just easier to find ways to justify a vote for 'em and turn a blind eye (heh) to some of their weaker points. I'll do ya one better though and say I vote with my gut. Definitely looking for the vote that feels most right. That convinced me (mostly because of the pun)
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Post by Hedwig's Killer on May 28, 2022 8:04:50 GMT 10
I warp the truth in order to justify whoever I like more as having the best strategy.
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Post by Lily Potter on May 28, 2022 9:10:26 GMT 10
I think what people are saying is at the end of the day, you vote for whoever makes you feel “good”. This could mean you vote for your ally or who you like the most but even more importantly it’s the winner who validates your own perspective and experience in the game the most. This is why people who spent a lot of time on the EoE were more likely to vote for Chris Underwood, because if they weren’t willing to vote for an Edge person, why did they suffer for that long?
And your brain will subconsciously do all sorts of mental gymnastics where it will selectively remember, interpret or value some strategic elements more than others so that what you think “your brain” matches how you feel “your heart”.
So what this means is no matter how much you pretend you vote according to objective criteria, you’ll always mark in a way which matches your subjective feeling. So don’t let anyone make you feel that there is a right or wrong way to vote. Vote for whatever makes you feel good!
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Post by Hedwig's Killer on May 28, 2022 10:05:49 GMT 10
Yeah that.
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Post by Lucius Malfoy on May 28, 2022 11:28:55 GMT 10
For me I tend to vote for the player that best outplayed me. So my questions will be focused on that.
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