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Post by Barty Crouch Jr on May 30, 2022 3:25:42 GMT 10
Bloody diggle, now black's writing novels, too? He and I were mostly to the core and not too lengthy in messages so this is unexpected haha Correct me if I'm wrong, but Lily Potter Barty Crouch Jr was it really RAB's social play that got him this far? I heard that topic come up several times, but reading through messages I repeatedly find bits like "We're voting RAB, unless ___" and that condition always applied. It was mostly due to Yaxley winning immunity for them both or we decided to take a shot at someone else that round. I never had the feeling that RAB really developed the relationships during endgame that brought him to Finale. In the end it was mostly Yax who dragged him there (both unintentionally and intentionally). No answers I read thus far convinced me otherwise. I even remember RAB telling me during the Wood vote that he'd finally voted with the majoriry for once!? Like do we want to make RAB the winner, only because he's seeling his game better? I know it's far from over, yet, and I believe Yax will shine as soon as he arrives, but so far I still feel like Yax has played a slightly better game.
in my case - the potential for social game was here but all our life conversations were short due to us both being worried of breaching Close ID rules. So we never had a long social conversation. from my POV, his social game saved him in Kingsley's vote, as there were more people who saw potential in working with Regulus, than Kingsley. In all other cases, there was either "bigger fish to fry" (HK's, Fleur's, your votes) or Yaxley giving him immunity and 100% saving from getting 7th place and also from getting out of consideration from the discussion for 6th place.
However, i understand that his social game might had been stronger with other players, just like Yaxley's social game was outstanding with you or me, and less impressive to others.
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Post by Dedalus Diggle on May 30, 2022 3:52:02 GMT 10
Oh yes that last part actually makes sense.
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Post by Dedalus Diggle on May 30, 2022 4:06:43 GMT 10
His answer was 7017 characters And he did exactly the opposite of what I wanted. I am extraordinarily disappointed. I decided to not read his owl post, as the task was failed. We should all do that.
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Post by Dedalus Diggle on May 30, 2022 4:17:42 GMT 10
Lily PotterRAB mentioned that he raised mine and Malfoy's profile, and I have to object. (I'm curious about his details about that though.) He doesn't deserve credit for me targetting Malfoy, as there were many reasons, but RAB played no part in that. First and foremost: Fleur wanted him gone and since I respected her I wanted to support her idea. Second (I told this over and over again) Malfoy made me anxious and paranoid (like IRL xD) so for the peace of mind, I wanted him gone myself. That's why I pushed Malfoy's vote whenever possible, but postponed it from time to time. In RAB I saw a secure number against Malfoy, once I actually decided to go for Malfoy. So I have discussed this once in a while with him, but again he by no means inspired me to go after Malfoy.
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Post by Barty Crouch Jr on May 30, 2022 6:53:24 GMT 10
I guess i should had written same speach as Wood did
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Post by Dedalus Diggle on May 30, 2022 7:03:31 GMT 10
I guess i should had written same speach as Wood did Kept the best for last
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Post by Oliver Wood on May 30, 2022 7:12:52 GMT 10
I guess i should had written same speach as Wood did I'm not sure there is anything I can ask that I don't already know or hasn't already been answered here
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Post by Barty Crouch Jr on May 30, 2022 7:27:11 GMT 10
I guess i should had written same speach as Wood did I'm not sure there is anything I can ask that I don't already know or hasn't already been answered here Your decision to not make a speech totally makes sense! i just wrote that with a thought that both of the finalists ignored my questions (Yaxley answered to Diggle and went offline) and was a little annoyed about it. But he replied since i wrote that so all is good ![:)](http://images.proboards.com/new/smiley.png)
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Post by Lily Potter on May 30, 2022 8:22:17 GMT 10
Lily PotterRAB mentioned that he raised mine and Malfoy's profile, and I have to object. (I'm curious about his details about that though.) He doesn't deserve credit for me targetting Malfoy, as there were many reasons, but RAB played no part in that. First and foremost: Fleur wanted him gone and since I respected her I wanted to support her idea. Second (I told this over and over again) Malfoy made me anxious and paranoid (like IRL xD) so for the peace of mind, I wanted him gone myself. That's why I pushed Malfoy's vote whenever possible, but postponed it from time to time. In RAB I saw a secure number against Malfoy, once I actually decided to go for Malfoy. So I have discussed this once in a while with him, but again he by no means inspired me to go after Malfoy. Curious to hear Lucius Malfoy @malfoy take on how much Regulus had to do with him targetting Diggle
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Post by Lucius Malfoy on May 30, 2022 8:28:16 GMT 10
I do feel that Black’s subtle moves have been impressive. He is perhaps over selling the impact of some of them, but he can only read the outcome and correlate it with the move. What is clear is that Black had a great read on the players and the game enough to know who to white ant to who and who to play against who.
His plan with that throw a vote on me at the Travers boot worked perfectly. It made me Uber paranoid. And I remember the post he said to lock me in. The one about feeling close to me because his Other close allies were gone. Of my hundreds of missives that is the one I still remember because it felt it was said with actual emotion and honesty.
He may not of pushed Dickie into being worried about me but he certainly played into it because he had the right read. That that beef was genuine and not put on.
In a game like this having the right reads is everything. And having them without body language and facial cues is so hard.
Yax on the other hand didn’t realise Barty and I were ride or die or that I’d already sent lily all the clues days before he did.
I think this is the most impressive part of blacks game.
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Post by Lucius Malfoy on May 30, 2022 8:32:40 GMT 10
Lily PotterRAB mentioned that he raised mine and Malfoy's profile, and I have to object. (I'm curious about his details about that though.) He doesn't deserve credit for me targetting Malfoy, as there were many reasons, but RAB played no part in that. First and foremost: Fleur wanted him gone and since I respected her I wanted to support her idea. Second (I told this over and over again) Malfoy made me anxious and paranoid (like IRL xD) so for the peace of mind, I wanted him gone myself. That's why I pushed Malfoy's vote whenever possible, but postponed it from time to time. In RAB I saw a secure number against Malfoy, once I actually decided to go for Malfoy. So I have discussed this once in a while with him, but again he by no means inspired me to go after Malfoy. Curious to hear Lucius Malfoy @malfoy take on how much Regulus had to do with him targetting Diggle Not a lot to be honest. My issue with Dickie is that I went into the DoM thinking he’d be my rock and ‘way in’ given our owls and my relationship with Yax. Instead he tried to get to vote the wrong way on Pyrites and even doubled downed on it when I said I was sticking with my word to fleur and tonks. He was like i don’t know I really think you should vote for black. Then he played a dickie fake idol on me for no reason. All of that pissed me off. Later on it went exactly as he said but Really I was just looking for him to say Dickie was saying that because that gave me permission to target Dickie which I wanted to do. So he didn’t cause the rift but he read the room perfectly and exploited it. That’s what is impressive to me.
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Post by Alastor 'Mad-Eye' Moody on May 30, 2022 10:11:32 GMT 10
Merlin's ass that was a lot of reading.
I think it is clear that Black had a good read on things "on the outside looking in" so to speak, but it is a hard sell for me to get over those essentially gifted immunities at such a crucial time for him. He end gamed it spectacularly though, which is really important. He didn't just coast into F2 through everyone wanting to be next to him there.
Yaxley's reads don't seem as good in comparison from what you all have been saying, but it's clear he did more, and I don't want to overlook the fact he did beast so many challenges and the F4 fire making was huge too.
Which all goes to say I'm still bloody torn about where to fall on this. They're both impressing me in different ways, so I just gotta figure what I value more, I s'pose.
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Post by Nymphadora Tonks on May 30, 2022 10:56:13 GMT 10
I’ve just caught up on all of Yax’s answers and am I the only one that’s a bit underwhelmed. It sort of feels like he’s writing novels about his thought process, but isn’t being SPECIFIC about what his role was. He’s sort of just going, yeah I wanted this or I wanted that to happen, but he’s not doing a good job of explaining what his role was in anything.
At the same time, I do agree with everyone else that it seems Black is overselling his answers a bit. He keeps touching on making Lucius paranoid and causing beef between him and Diggle, and so it makes me wonder if he has any other ammo or if he’s just scraping the bottom of the barrel with evidence for us. I think he had a really strong start but I’m not so sure now.
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Post by Lucius Malfoy on May 30, 2022 11:15:02 GMT 10
Black is hitting the right points with me and Yax is missing the mark and keeps saying things I don't agree with or are mis-reads. I mean he just said to you that HK had all the Manor wands, but I had Pyrites and Igors (and this is after he apparently made a detailed list of all the wands and stuff before the final challenge (which I expect he did do given how he dominated that challenge)). But he knows that's not true as HK sent Yax all HK's wands on HK's boot. For me it seems Black made 1 pivotal move at each phase of the game: Pre-Swap: The vote on me at the Traver's boot. Post-Swap: Making it look like we were after each other (which we absolutely were not). On that, Fleur Delacour, what did Black tell you when we got to the DoM about the Rudy boot. I ask as when we got to DoM, Black asked me what the hell happened with the vote and I explained that Igor had spilled all the beans and I knew about HK and Rudy's new group. I said I bore him no ill will for being a part of that group and asked if he wanted to go and each other a DoM or call a truce and try to survive together. He chose the latter and I told him he needed to help me by being upfront with Fleur about why I did what I did to Rudy. I said he could just as easily white-ant me on that but then I am likely gone so I asked him to tell her the truth. I didn't think this would make Fleur forgive me for what I did, but I needed her to know that what I told her about what I did was the truth. I assumed that Black told you the truth Fleur given I wasn't immediately booted? Post-Merge: Swapping the vote on me on the revote was absolutely the right move for him. Endgame: Seems like me played in perfectly from about 5 onwards?
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Post by Lily Potter on May 30, 2022 11:17:00 GMT 10
No tbh I feel underwhelmed about both of their FMC performances
I think Yaxley is often missing the point of a lot of the questions and is rambling rather than explaining the active role that he did play in driving strategy - I don’t think he was just a passenger in a comfortable alliance
Likewise I feel like Regulus has spent most of his energy talking about the F18 (first vote of the game) and F14 votes and not enough detail about the work he did in the merge to manouevre from a bad position to get to the end. I don’t know whether it’s because he feels the need to claim credit for the Malfoy vote off but we weren’t after any big moves from him, we wanted evidence of making a conscious decision to use his social game to actively advance his interests in the merge
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Post by Nymphadora Tonks on May 30, 2022 11:22:19 GMT 10
No tbh I feel underwhelmed about both of their FMC performances I think Yaxley is often missing the point of a lot of the questions and is rambling rather than explaining the active role that he did play in driving strategy - I don’t think he was just a passenger in a comfortable alliance Likewise I feel like Regulus has spent most of his energy talking about the F18 (first vote of the game) and F14 votes and not enough detail about the work he did in the merge to manouevre from a bad position to get to the end. I don’t know whether it’s because he feels the need to claim credit for the Malfoy vote off but we weren’t after any big moves from him, we wanted evidence of making a conscious decision to use his social game to actively advance his interests in the merge 100% agree. And like, I know he’s not just a passenger based off what’s been said by people in the Wizengamot, but he’s not giving anyone anything to work with. I would not be able to tell you a single thing he’s done in this game based off his answers, despite writing essays upon essays.
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Post by Lucius Malfoy on May 30, 2022 11:26:18 GMT 10
Just on the misreads as well, are we generally in agreement that (sorry Lily) Yax would have been in a better place here against Lily (of course without the benefit of what I am sure would have been a stella FMC from her) than he is against Black?
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Post by Nymphadora Tonks on May 30, 2022 11:30:31 GMT 10
Just on the misreads as well, are we generally in agreement that (sorry Lily) Yax would have been in a better place here against Lily (of course without the benefit of what I am sure would have been a stella FMC from her) than he is against Black? Well, if he’s answering questions the way he is right now, I wouldn’t vote for him over anyone else. You don’t think Lily would destroy him?
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Post by Alastor 'Mad-Eye' Moody on May 30, 2022 11:34:03 GMT 10
Just on the misreads as well, are we generally in agreement that (sorry Lily) Yax would have been in a better place here against Lily (of course without the benefit of what I am sure would have been a stella FMC from her) than he is against Black? If I were in the game, I'd think Lily would be sweeping a jury compared to Black, tbh. It wasn't until I got here and everyone was talking (*cough* Fleur and Tonks especially) that I realized it might not be the case. So in terms of reads from within the game, harder to tell. That seems more of a shocking revelation than a misread to me that only Wizengamot inside info could have helped with.
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Post by Alastor 'Mad-Eye' Moody on May 30, 2022 11:35:43 GMT 10
Just on the misreads as well, are we generally in agreement that (sorry Lily) Yax would have been in a better place here against Lily (of course without the benefit of what I am sure would have been a stella FMC from her) than he is against Black? Well, if he’s answering questions the way he is right now, I wouldn’t vote for him over anyone else. You don’t think Lily would destroy him? Lily probably edges over Yaxley for my vote if she has what we all assume would be an incredible FMC, though the Fleur/Lily thread would have been a real interesting one.
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