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Post by Lucius Malfoy on May 29, 2022 20:22:41 GMT 10
I’m not too impressed with Yax’s severe lack of understanding of what happened at the manor in terms of alliances (what they really were), the idol (when it was found) and the pyrites vote especially as a lot of the players knew the truth before coming here. It does make me feel he has been too insulated. I will be questioning on this further… Okay I stopped reading first time after MM (just due to time) but I see now that Yax covered this all off in his layer speech so all recovered. I’m probably leaning Yax after reading the whole thing but that’s probably because he mentioned me like a bazillion times and I’m an ego manic.
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Post by Lucius Malfoy on May 29, 2022 19:43:48 GMT 10
Both of their statements made me realize a weird trend that you need to have BIG FLASHY moves to justify winning the game. I think none of the two has made any, but I also think it's not necessary for your game to be considered decent. I think the problem is both their games are decent but neither really stands above the other. They are just different.
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Post by Lucius Malfoy on May 29, 2022 19:43:00 GMT 10
I’m not too impressed with Yax’s severe lack of understanding of what happened at the manor in terms of alliances (what they really were), the idol (when it was found) and the pyrites vote especially as a lot of the players knew the truth before coming here. It does make me feel he has been too insulated. I will be questioning on this further… the fact that Yaxley doesn't know when your idol was found is not a point against Yaxley, it's more a point that we both managed to keep it in secret all this time yeah, some of his timeline is not exactly the same as i remember it, but 85-90% fits on how i saw it too. I told black the full truth at the DoM which I realized was a mistake later on. That could be a point against black I guess but I made sure to not make a big deal of it once I realized my mistake.
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Post by Lucius Malfoy on May 29, 2022 19:34:08 GMT 10
For what its worth, re Yaxley's comments, the reason I threw so hard to remove Pyrites was because I was too busy irl to do the challenge, and didnt want to get blamed for ruining it for the Side. I learned that lesson from Travers, a simple warning is not enough. Lol at that coming across as aggressive wild move tho. As per my post above, it seems he didn’t really know what was happening at either the manor or the DP.
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Post by Lucius Malfoy on May 29, 2022 19:33:18 GMT 10
I’m not too impressed with Yax’s severe lack of understanding of what happened at the manor in terms of alliances (what they really were), the idol (when it was found) and the pyrites vote especially as a lot of the players knew the truth before coming here.
It does make me feel he has been too insulated. I will be questioning on this further…
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Post by Lucius Malfoy on May 28, 2022 11:28:55 GMT 10
For me I tend to vote for the player that best outplayed me. So my questions will be focused on that.
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Post by Lucius Malfoy on May 27, 2022 21:44:11 GMT 10
Ours should make for some good reading in a few days You’ve got to read it (our day 0) in connection with my confessional. I was so fucking mad at you (overreacting emotionally (you know why)) but you managed to say the exact right thing when I called you out to bring me right back
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Post by Lucius Malfoy on May 27, 2022 21:42:03 GMT 10
He wanted you gone in general, but during the vote he kept his vote on Wood for the benefit of 2 pairs alliance. from my understanding, your vote went: OG: Order people for you, Death eaters (me, RAB, Yaxley, you for Wood) revote: Diggle switched for Wood, RAB switched for you. at least that's how i was told by Diggle and i didn't do any other investigation on how revote happened. Lily and Moody both said that they would had switched to Wood too, if they were online (or if i had communicated better with Lily before the vote) That makes a lot of sense. Thanks mate
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Post by Lucius Malfoy on May 27, 2022 21:38:47 GMT 10
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Post by Lucius Malfoy on May 27, 2022 21:31:58 GMT 10
just think abôut it fór a momént. I'm not saying monsieur Yaxley wasn't importante becàuse obviously 'e 'ad móre actúal alliances than monsieur Black did, bût from mérge: Monsieur Shacklebolt: monsieur Yaxley wantéd monsieur Moody bût monsieur Shacklebolt was a fine altérnative while monsieur Black was kèpt safe by 'is rélationships bût didn't 'ave an active rôle in déciding the vote. Monsieur Killér and Tonks: I don't knôw énough abôut monsieur Black's rôle bût 'e didn't drive it (maybe 'ad rélationships tò 'elp 'I'm?) while monsieur Yaxley 'ad the rélationships bût 'is 'ands wére tìed by monsieur Diggle only wantìng tò vote Tonks, so 'e gets the social crédit bût not the stratégic. Monsieur Malfoy: Monsieur Black actively made the décision while monsieur Yaxley would 'ave saved monsieur Malfoy. Both made the còrrect décisions fór themselves bût ultimátely monsieur Black prévailed. Fleur: was it not monsieur Yaxley's còmment saying that thiz was a súrprise tò wake up tò? So I don't buy 'im béing pivótal tò it at all. Fírst càse of monsieur Black éscaping becàuse of "biggér fish tò fry" Monsieur Moody: should 'ave made a plan with 'im and Olivér tò túrn things arôund. Appàrently they did tàlk so I wôuld be cúrious tò know what éxactly was the próblem? Becàuse I see thiz as the biggést missed oppòrtunity fór all three of you qùite fránkly. Monsieur Yaxley also votéd fór Olivér so ultimátely 'e left the décision tò othér pèople. Stratégically not 'is move. Socially 'e and monsieur Diggle 'ad the rélationships to stay safe, bût if the othér side voted tògethér and played the idol fór the còrrect pèrson it wouldn't 'ave mattéred. Olivér: monsieur Black most likely goes 'ome without immúnity and monsieur Yaxley 'ad the rélationships tò prévent monsieur Diggle fróm góing 'ome so thiz góes fór mon Yaxley obviously. Monsieur Diggle: Monsieur Black was the pivótal 5th vote and took advántage of it the only way 'e còuld. Monsieur Crouch: Monsieur Black winning immúnity méans that 'e càn fórce monsieur Yaxley tò vote out monsieur Crouch, which was the ríght move fór 'im as it guarantées that régardless of who wins the final challénge 'e is likely tò make it tò final 2. Pùtting yourself in thiz pòsition is absolutely a stréngth (takìng out Lily leaves open the pòssibility of monsieur Yaxley and monsieur Crouch gettìng back tògethér if one of them wins final immúnity) So while yes, maybe monsieur Yaxley gets a small édge in some aspécts, bût it's réally not as significánt as it may seem at fírst, I don't think, and of còurse 'ow they árgue fór themselves and whethér they see themselves the same way as we do (the best càse that they càn make fór themselves) is 'ugely importante fór both of thém i use Protego to your silencio spell and write some comments to these statements. to some of them i don't have enough knowledge, i agree to some others, but have different view to these: " Monsieur Killér and Tonks: I don't knôw énough abôut monsieur Black's rôle bût 'e didn't drive it (maybe 'ad rélationships tò 'elp 'I'm?)" - this was at least 3 occasion when RAB would had been a simple vote but others choose more dangerous player to vo for (1st occasion being Lestrange's vote, 2nd from what i heard happened when you voted Pyrites out to separate him from Moody). "Monsieur Malfoy: Monsieur Black actively made the décision while monsieur Yaxley would 'ave saved monsieur Malfoy. Both made the còrrect décisions fór themselves bût ultimátely monsieur Black prévailed." Black voting Malfoy our almost doomed him to 7th place while Yaxley trying to keep Malfoy here was to guarantee him majority numbers in F8. "Fleur: was it not monsieur Yaxley's còmment saying that thiz was a súrprise tò wake up tò? So I don't buy 'im béing pivótal tò it at all. Fírst càse of monsieur Black éscaping becàuse of "biggér fish tò fry"" I don't remember that Yaxley's comment, but the only thing which were surprising to him was that it's 4-2-2 and not 4-3-1. He knew that 4 votes goes to you, and he knew that everyone in this 4 are doing their best to make others to not unite against 4 of us. Monsieur Moody: Monsieur Yaxley also votéd fór Olivér so ultimátely 'e left the décision tò othér pèople. Stratégically not 'is move. Socially 'e and monsieur Diggle 'ad the rélationships to stay safe, bût if the othér side voted tògethér and played the idol fór the còrrect pèrson it wouldn't 'ave mattéred. Pairs agreed that each pair are voting together in that split simply to keep getting the house points. as Lily didn't felt comfortable writing Wood's vote, and Diggle was heartbroken to write Moody's vote - we split the votes that they voted for Wood. Yaxley was crucial in that vote to SUBMIT PREVOTE LIST, which i never did. he thought and covered all the possible scenarios. and i loved his reaction when he came online "of course i submited the list, have some faith in me!" Monsieur Diggle: Monsieur Black was the pivótal 5th vote and took advántage of it the only way 'e còuld. I was the 5th vote here. Lily united with RAB, Diggle and Yaxley were voting RAB. RAB had no power in that vote, besides of looking not dangerous enough to survie 5th time because of there being bigger fish to fry .. completely agree about the role in my vote. Btw, i hope Yaxley will talk a lot about how without him, HK wouldn't had made the merge (well, unless a switch saves him), as he was the only one in alliance of me/Wood/Lily/Yaxley who wanted to vote Pyrites When did yax try and keep me on the split? You told me he wanted me gone?
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Post by Lucius Malfoy on May 27, 2022 21:11:14 GMT 10
You never mentioned wanting Fleur out. I was working on the assumption we could work with her and I'm fairly confident I said as such. And that’s not your fault at all. That was an intentional part of my game. I knew that I couldn’t win challenges so I was always going to have to be taken to the end by whoever won FIC. So I knew that I couldn’t raise my threat level by making big moves in the early merge phase unless I had someone (in this case you) to blame the move on and be able to say that YOU made the move to keep Lucius around. Even when I did make the move at F8, I intentionally gave all the credit to Diggle and Barty and allowed people to think I was just being manipulated by them I rate this game play, but was your hope to go the the end with Barty cause that would have been a loss for you. Without Barty here stumping for you I don’t think we would have realized this was your strategy
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Post by Lucius Malfoy on May 27, 2022 21:02:52 GMT 10
just think abôut it fór a momént. I'm not saying monsieur Yaxley wasn't importante becàuse obviously 'e 'ad móre actúal alliances than monsieur Black did, bût from mérge: Monsieur Shacklebolt: monsieur Yaxley wantéd monsieur Moody bût monsieur Shacklebolt was a fine altérnative while monsieur Black was kèpt safe by 'is rélationships bût didn't 'ave an active rôle in déciding the vote. Monsieur Killér and Tonks: I don't knôw énough abôut monsieur Black's rôle bût 'e didn't drive it (maybe 'ad rélationships tò 'elp 'I'm?) while monsieur Yaxley 'ad the rélationships bût 'is 'ands wére tìed by monsieur Diggle only wantìng tò vote Tonks, so 'e gets the social crédit bût not the stratégic. Monsieur Malfoy: Monsieur Black actively made the décision while monsieur Yaxley would 'ave saved monsieur Malfoy. Both made the còrrect décisions fór themselves bût ultimátely monsieur Black prévailed. Fleur: was it not monsieur Yaxley's còmment saying that thiz was a súrprise tò wake up tò? So I don't buy 'im béing pivótal tò it at all. Fírst càse of monsieur Black éscaping becàuse of "biggér fish tò fry" Monsieur Moody: should 'ave made a plan with 'im and Olivér tò túrn things arôund. Appàrently they did tàlk so I wôuld be cúrious tò know what éxactly was the próblem? Becàuse I see thiz as the biggést missed oppòrtunity fór all three of you qùite fránkly. Monsieur Yaxley also votéd fór Olivér so ultimátely 'e left the décision tò othér pèople. Stratégically not 'is move. Socially 'e and monsieur Diggle 'ad the rélationships to stay safe, bût if the othér side voted tògethér and played the idol fór the còrrect pèrson it wouldn't 'ave mattéred. Olivér: monsieur Black most likely goes 'ome without immúnity and monsieur Yaxley 'ad the rélationships tò prévent monsieur Diggle fróm góing 'ome so thiz góes fór mon Yaxley obviously. Monsieur Diggle: Monsieur Black was the pivótal 5th vote and took advántage of it the only way 'e còuld. Monsieur Crouch: Monsieur Black winning immúnity méans that 'e càn fórce monsieur Yaxley tò vote out monsieur Crouch, which was the ríght move fór 'im as it guarantées that régardless of who wins the final challénge 'e is likely tò make it tò final 2. Pùtting yourself in thiz pòsition is absolutely a stréngth (takìng out Lily leaves open the pòssibility of monsieur Yaxley and monsieur Crouch gettìng back tògethér if one of them wins final immúnity) So while yes, maybe monsieur Yaxley gets a small édge in some aspécts, bût it's réally not as significánt as it may seem at fírst, I don't think, and of còurse 'ow they árgue fór themselves and whethér they see themselves the same way as we do (the best càse that they càn make fór themselves) is 'ugely importante fór both of thém I can only speak for the first three here but Yax did not want moody out as Diggle did not want moody out. But the tide went that way and it was too hard to change (that said Dickie was probably going to play the idol for him which is quite funny cause I busted my arse winning immunity to keep moody safe). I’m not sure why it became canary over black but it suited me fine. Black had no involvement HKs vote. He thought he was even going home until it all blew up. We were keeping him thinking that so hk felt safe and didn’t play the idol he didn’t have. Yax wanted me gone on my boot. He told barty he was afraid they’d been seen as my goats. Losing him then sealed my fate. If yax agrees to my boot fleur plan there, I reckon she goes.
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Post by Lucius Malfoy on May 27, 2022 18:40:45 GMT 10
I was pushing all sorts of plans with the hope that I could get one of moody/yax to vote for fleur or black to vote for dickie. But that was falling on deaf ears. Also despite you swapping the idol with me you sort of disappeared. Lily was giving me nothing. I thought I had yax convinced but then Barty sort of came round in the late arvo and said I’d have a better shot pulling in moody than yax and that yax is too worried about being seen as my goat. I didn’t think I could pull moody in to something that yax/dickie weren’t doing so I thought black was the best option to vote dickie. Black then told me that you told him that the only person you (wood) wanted to vote for was him (black), this ending any shot we had of that move. Barty came to me minutes before the vote and said he had to go with another plan (which I knew was the split plan), so I voted for you hoping that it was mess their numbers enough to save myself. BUT lily and Barty clearly had it in their power to bring us both in and say all 4 of us vote anyone, I wouldn’t have cared who. Probably would have had to be fleur or black I reckon. Lily Potter and Barty Crouch Jr, why did you not bring this plan to us? I mentioned to you before - Wood's message how he doesn't trust me made me lose all hope at the fellowship wining that round. Yes, on paper, it might had worked to "force" us 4 into working together, but it was all last minutes scrambling and i chose to go with option B that time. If i had more time and less options - i might had tried last minute "we all need to vote this way!" message, but with all of that being made at the last minutes - i went back to Diggle's plan and explored our relationship which were built during Tonks's vote. HOWEVER, what we hadn't talked yet, was that during the day before your elimination, i was in a chat with Diggle and Yaxley, and kept pushing them idea that "if we are splitting between Wood and Malfoy - we should put more votes on Wood to flush his idol at least. As Wood surviving with idol would be the worst case for Diggle/Yaxley/Lily/me alliance. You surviving would be the best case, Wood surviving without idol would be neutral case. (Because in F8 - you would never work with Fleur, making it 2 pairs to have majority, while there's big chance of Fleur/Wood/RAB/Moody getting together and making it 4-4 (at that point i didn't knew how close Moody and Diggle was). This is a sound plan. Thank you for doing what you could in the circumstances.
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Post by Lucius Malfoy on May 27, 2022 18:24:41 GMT 10
I was pushing all sorts of plans with the hope that I could get one of moody/yax to vote for fleur or black to vote for dickie. But that was falling on deaf ears. Also despite you swapping the idol with me you sort of disappeared. Lily was giving me nothing. I thought I had yax convinced but then Barty sort of came round in the late arvo and said I’d have a better shot pulling in moody than yax and that yax is too worried about being seen as my goat. I didn’t think I could pull moody in to something that yax/dickie weren’t doing so I thought black was the best option to vote dickie. Black then told me that you told him that the only person you (wood) wanted to vote for was him (black), this ending any shot we had of that move. Barty came to me minutes before the vote and said he had to go with another plan (which I knew was the split plan), so I voted for you hoping that it was mess their numbers enough to save myself. BUT lily and Barty clearly had it in their power to bring us both in and say all 4 of us vote anyone, I wouldn’t have cared who. Probably would have had to be fleur or black I reckon. Lily Potter and Barty Crouch Jr , why did you not bring this plan to us? The plan to vote for you came WELL before deadline. I presented an alternative case. Barty and Lily had PLENTY of time to move elsewhere. I made no secret at the time of not wanting to vote for anyone other than Black but I also raised that Diggle was the best vote strategically and noone budged. Lily Potter it seems you had all the time in the world and the willing participants to pull off a 4-3-2 on black. So why didn’t it ever get proposed in the fellowship?
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Post by Lucius Malfoy on May 27, 2022 18:09:59 GMT 10
I was pushing all sorts of plans with the hope that I could get one of moody/yax to vote for fleur or black to vote for dickie. But that was falling on deaf ears. Also despite you swapping the idol with me you sort of disappeared. Lily was giving me nothing. I thought I had yax convinced but then Barty sort of came round in the late arvo and said I’d have a better shot pulling in moody than yax and that yax is too worried about being seen as my goat. I didn’t think I could pull moody in to something that yax/dickie weren’t doing so I thought black was the best option to vote dickie. Black then told me that you told him that the only person you (wood) wanted to vote for was him (black), this ending any shot we had of that move. Barty came to me minutes before the vote and said he had to go with another plan (which I knew was the split plan), so I voted for you hoping that it was mess their numbers enough to save myself. BUT lily and Barty clearly had it in their power to bring us both in and say all 4 of us vote anyone, I wouldn’t have cared who. Probably would have had to be fleur or black I reckon. Lily Potter and Barty Crouch Jr, why did you not bring this plan to us?
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Post by Lucius Malfoy on May 27, 2022 17:35:18 GMT 10
I never had any doubt that you wanted to work with me Lily. But I can understand the hesitation when my own partner was uncertain. I apologize for what I said in the final 4 thread, it’s become a lot clearer from what Barty has said that you were far from his goat and were a dominant player in this game in your own right. I have but one question for you which I what I would have asked had you been at FMC: How in the hell did you not message me back the day after I sent you all the idol clues??? I think you messaged me the next day after that, but I got the shock of my life to not hear from you that next day 😢🧐😮 Oops that was my bad. I had a potentially ID exposing thing in my owl so Peter asked Hedwig's Killer to shoot the bird down. Although it probably did allow me to send you more updated HII info in the next owl with regards to Yax getting me to tell Diggs, Barty telling Fleur, Diggs telling Moody, Moody telling Fleur, Fleur telling Tonks… people being paranoid about who actually had the Order HII… I made up none of what I sent you despite attempts at some here to play revisionist history You’ll find out from my confessionals but I was trying to use the split on you and Oliver at f9 to pull off a 4-3-2 to keep the 4 of us together but when he wouldn’t go along with it, I had to let you go and used Yax and Diggs to pull off a 4-3-1 at f8 instead (which became a 4-2-2) Okay yes, that makes sense thank you. Yeah Barty mentioned that plan when he got here. That would have been incredible but wood done with me. He has trust issues with me which he has mentioned and I think him lying to me made him think I was done with him, which even then I wasn’t. Not sure why he went through with the whole idol swap thing then though. Oliver Wood why would you do this 4-3-2, even after we swapped the idol?
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Post by Lucius Malfoy on May 27, 2022 17:30:57 GMT 10
Blacks answer will be my boot Would you see that as a good answer? So yes 😉
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Post by Lucius Malfoy on May 27, 2022 17:29:36 GMT 10
Blacks answer will be my boot He could have saved me by voting for wood. I told him I was was voting for wood. Wood had just told him that the only person he (wood) wanted to vote for was him (black). I’d told him I was keeping him as a side piece. He probably believed it but me going, gave him so much more value to others especially as woods value decreased dramatically at that point. He made the right call there by far.
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Post by Lucius Malfoy on May 27, 2022 17:27:15 GMT 10
Blacks answer will be my boot
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Post by Lucius Malfoy on May 27, 2022 17:09:25 GMT 10
I never had any doubt that you wanted to work with me Lily. But I can understand the hesitation when my own partner was uncertain.
I apologize for what I said in the final 4 thread, it’s become a lot clearer from what Barty has said that you were far from his goat and were a dominant player in this game in your own right.
I have but one question for you which I what I would have asked had you been at FMC:
How in the hell did you not message me back the day after I sent you all the idol clues??? I think you messaged me the next day after that, but I got the shock of my life to not hear from you that next day 😢🧐😮
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